On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 6:20 AM, Kazunobu Kuriyama <
kazunobu.kuriy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2016-07-27 17:01 GMT+09:00 Manuel Ortega <mannyvim...@gmail.com>:
>
>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 3:51 AM, Manuel Ortega <mannyvim...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 2:51 AM, Manuel Ortega <mannyvim...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Bram Moolenaar <b...@moolenaar.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> " Switch syntax highlighting on when the terminal has colors or when
>>>>> using the
>>>>> " GUI (which always has colors).
>>>>> if &t_Co > 2 || has("gui_running")
>>>>> syntax on
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wait a sec. If "syntax on" is done here, then won't it be impossible
>>>> to use "set guioptions+=M" in the user's .vimrc and have it work? The docs
>>>> say that in order for that to work, it must be done "before switching on
>>>> syntax or filetype recognition". But if syntax is turned on here, by the
>>>> time the "set go+=M" in his .vimrc is encountered it will be too late,
>>>> right?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Indeed, that is the case (I tried it). If you put "syntax on" in the
>>> system vimrc, then the user cannot use "set go+=M". I think this is a
>>> good reason to remove "syntax on" from the proposal. If it's left in, you
>>> might as well just eliminate "M" as one of the guioptions, because it's
>>> totally unusable unless it goes in the local machine's system vimrc, which
>>> many users will not be able to change, or will not want to tweak it every
>>> time they build a new Vim.
>>>
>>
>> If "syntax on" is in the system vimrc as proposed, then I can't seem to
>> find any way *at all* to disable the loading of the system menu.vim (short
>> of unacceptable hacks like bash-aliasing 'vim' to 'vim -u ~/.vimrc'.)
>>
>> Not only that, but the variables in menu.vim intended to be settable by
>> the user to stop certain segments from loading, i.e.,
>>
>> let did_install_default_menus = 1
>> let no_buffers_menu =1
>> let did_install_syntax_menu = 1
>>
>> ... have no effect in the user's vimrc because menu.vim is already loaded
>> by the system vimrc's "syntax on".
>>
>> Please, please, remove "syntax on" from the proposal. There is no way
>> for the user to undo its side-effects.
>>
>> -Manny
>>
>
> Hi,
>
> After having read your argument through, I’m still for ‘syntax on’.
>
> After all, the problem boils down to this: How many GUI users do they
> actually set go=+M?
>
> My bet is that the number is nearly zero.
>
> If our system menu were of such less importance that one could kill it at
> will, it would not be worth being called “the system menu.”
>
Really? One could make the same argument about "the system vimrc", and it
would be just as unpersusasive.
&go+=M exists for a reason. So do "did_install_default_menus",
"no_buffers_menu", and "did_install_syntax_menu".
-Many
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