What should the AppleTalk control panels be displayed as again? On the performa...Ethernet or printer port?
I'll try your setup...thanks for the suggestions! Cheers! -Jake On Dec 5, 2011, at 11:13 PM, "dale-gmail" <[email protected]> wrote: > Jake; > > the 'system' hang could be caused by no or bad termination resistors on the > AppleTalk/phonenet network. > each end of the connections need resistors installed in the empty holes. > resistor ->system 1 ->cable ->system 2-->cable -> system 3 ->resistor. > I have had 'system' hang/crash happen when the terminator resistor was not > installed. > > tcp/ip control panel/window on each machine, the only difference is the > manual address.: > AppleTalk(macip) > manual config > ip address 192.168.1.(1,2,3) > router 192.168.1.1 > name server address(dns) 10.0.1.1 and named dns(does not have to be a real > one) > of course the performa 6110 should be the 192.168.1.1 ip address. > then > click on 'info' should show the ip address/router address info plus the open > transport and tcp/ip version numbers. > my open transport and tcp/ip versions are 1.3 on lc 475's > SE = macTCP 2.0.6 > > I have OS 8.1 on a lc 475, OS 7.6.1 on lc 475 and system 7.5.5 on SE. they > are all 680x0 machines > the OS 8.1 machine is the Internet connection and runs ipnetrouter.. > the rest are connect thru AppleTalk/phonenet connections. > > no problems here with file sharing > if sharing is set up, clicking on chooser and then appleshare should show the > other machine names in the box. selecting one of the names and then o.k. > should show the shared volumes. > file share works whether IpNetRouter is up or not. > > if tcpip panel/window is configured as above, Internet connection only works > when ipnetrouter is running. > ipnetrouter configures the Ethernet connection. > > try getting sharing working first. > not sure if you need to allow volume share first. > select volume name - then file - then sharing to see. > > dale > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jake Tesler" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 5:20 PM > Subject: Re: Mac SE SCSI > > > Thanks for the suggestions! Under the new setup, a few things happened... > > First, I cannot file share between my systems. Second, while the Internet on > the performa worked, the PowerBook and SE still did not. lastly, and this > could be unrelated, but after fiddling around for about 10 minutes, all of > the connected systems "crashed" simultaneously. By crashed I mean that they > froze, and the mouse moved, but the rest of the GUI was frozen. Forced > restart was required. > > What am I doing wrong? Help! > First, what is the PowerBook TCP/IP configuration of nameservers...etc? > Second, what is the AppleTalk configuration supposed to be for all machines? > > Also, not to add to the issues, but is there a way to simultaneously have > this setup AND have file sharing between macs (LocalTalk)? > > I can use the AppleTalk control panel to choose what system to connect to, > but I can't choose both. Would LocalTalk bridge solve this problem? > > -Jake > > On Dec 5, 2011, at 2:03 AM, "dale-gmail" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> o.k. most of config is o.k. >> >> 1. the performa (6110) tcp/ip panel should be pointing at AppleTalk(macip) >> address = 192.168.1.1 router address = 192.168.1.1 >> and name server = 10.0.1.1 (if that is the router address) >> and a dummy name server name i.e. sammie.homer or a real one if you know >> the name. >> >> 2. gateway panel : >> ip forwarding = 'automatic' >> 'enable local NAT' and 'DNS forwarding' boxes checked (only ones checked) >> upon open = 'configure and display' >> exposed host = 'gateway' (button) >> >> you should wind up with two port mapping entries. >> UDP type with addresses filled in automatically. >> >> 6110 should still connect to internet (browser, etc) >> and powerbook should connect to internet (browser,etc) >> >> see www.ccadams.org/se/ for the SE browsers >> >> as they say, it works here. >> >> hopefully the tunneling works correctly. >> not real familiar with the tunnel set up. >> >> the connections go from browser to appletalk(macip) to ipnetrouter to >> ethernet to router to world... >> there are no inbound connections from the outside. >> (there are ways to inbound connect, but not necessary to access the >> internet). >> >> 'fetch4' works on 68k macs (version 4.0.3) it is for classic macs so should >> work on 6110/powerbook >> http://www.macorchard.com/filetransfer/Fetch.php >> >> dale >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jake" <[email protected]> >> To: "Vintage Macs" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 9:29 PM >> Subject: Re: Mac SE SCSI >> >> >> IPNetRouter configuration: >> >> Interfaces: >> State: Port name: Interface: IP: Mask: >> (up) (glasses) Ethernet enetDRVRO 10.0.1.31 255.255.255.0 >> (up) AppleTalk (MacIP) ddp0 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.0 >> >> Routing: >> Route Type: Destination: Gateway: Interface Name: >> Direct 10.0.1.0 10.0.1.31 enetDRVRO >> Direct 192.168.1.0 192.168.1.1 ddp0 >> Direct 224.0.0.0 10.0.1.31 enetDRVRO >> Default-Gateway [blank] 10.0.1.1 [blank] >> >> Port Mapping: nothing there…not a single entry. >> >> TCP/IP: >> Performa: Ethernet >> SE: Printer Port >> PowerBook: Modem/Printer port >> >> Is that what you were looking for? >> >> On Dec 4, 12:06 pm, "dale-gmail" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> need to see the config panels on ipnetrouter.. >>> just the addresses.and masks (line items) >>> from: >>> 1 interfaces >>> 2 routes >>> 3 port mapping >>> >>> and the tcp/ip panel also >>> on all three connected via localtalk >>> 1 powerbook >>> 2 6110 >>> 3 SE >>> >>> browsers: >>> icab and IE 4.01 >>> work just fine also >>> >>> dale >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jake" <[email protected]> >>> To: "Vintage Macs" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 9:24 AM >>> Subject: Re: Mac SE SCSI >>> >>> Okay, so here it goes: >>> >>> At the moment, I am staring at two things. >>> The first is my laptop screen, so I can see what I am typing as I >>> compose this message. >>> The second is my Performa 6110CD, which I was using to check my email >>> on gmail. >>> >>> YES, I have networked my Performa 6110CD to the internet. :) >>> Quick recap on that hookup: >>> Farallon EtherMac AAUI to RJ-45 10BaseT Ethernet adapter, hooked up to >>> a cable modem (or more specifically, an airport extreme). Surfing >>> through OpenTransport (latest for system 7.6.1); TCP/IP control panel >>> configured to connect via Ethernet. Browser of choice (only one >>> available) is Netscape Navigator. >>> Performa booting off HD, which is actually a 80-pin UltraWide SCSI >>> interface, running through several adapters (80 pin -> 68pin -> 50pin) >>> to reach the 50 pin interface connecting to the motherboard. Other >>> connected SCSI devices: Apple 300Plus CD-ROM drive, HP Tape Drive, and >>> this is not on the chain, but a floppy drive as well (1.44MB). Cable >>> I'm using has a drop for one more device, should I choose to add >>> another. >>> >>> The hurdle is almost over. Hang tight, everybody! Still need to fix a >>> few issues, and I have a quick (new) question. Here goes: >>> I cannot seem to find a correct setup to route the ethernet internet >>> connection to my other macs via LocalTalk. Apparently, AppleTalk and >>> LocalTalk connections do NOT have the ability to forward TCP packets, >>> so I need to "encapsulate" those TCP packets within an AppleTalk >>> connection. Localtalk Bridge has failed, so moving on to another piece >>> of software. >>> At the suggestions of others, I have downloaded IPNetRouter from >>> Sustainable Softworks. I have tried to set it up to route my ethernet >>> TCP/IP packets through MacIP or local talk (or something), but have >>> since been unsuccessful. I think I am simply not setting it up >>> correctly. Also, the configuration utility has failed, and I cannot >>> get any routing connection to work. >>> I have both interface connections set up in IPNetRouter, the ethernet >>> has IP Masquerading ON, set to an IP of 10.0.1.31 (permanently >>> assigned by my airport router network). From the airport (network) >>> side, I have tunneled incoming TCP port 4670 to route directly to the >>> IP address (the configuration utility requires it). >>> The LocalTalk interface has a starting IP of 192.168.1.1 (for the host >>> Performa), and the other computers have 192.168.1.2 and 192.168.1.3 >>> for the Powerbook and the SE, respectively. What I am I doing wrong? >>> Does anybody have any suggestions, or does anybody have a way of >>> setting it up successfully? Any help would be appreciated. >>> >>> Second issue: I have an old tape drive (DDS2) that connects to my SCSI >>> chain. It is an old HP C1539, I think, and I cannot get Mac OS 7.6.1 >>> to format and read from the tapes. I have tried MicroNet and Lido >>> software, and nothing will even acknowledge that a tape is present! It >>> sees the drive (Sequential-Access Tape Drive), and a model number and >>> other pieces of minor info, but it doesn't see the tape. Is it >>> possible to use an old tape drive like that as another drive? For >>> example, can I insert a tape into the drive, and (somehow) store files >>> to it like I can a hard drive? >>> Is it the lack of software I'm using should I be using something more >>> specific? If so, DL links would be appreciated! >>> >>> (Also, unrelated minor note, anybody have suggestions for a good FTP >>> browser for system 7? I want to download some files off an FTP server, >>> but don't have any software. Ideas?) >>> >>> Thanks for the help, everybody. I really appreciate it. Because of >>> everybody here, I have resurrected some old macs, and turned then from >>> useless scraps to working, functional, and modernized machines. *Tips >>> hat to everybody*. >>> So, I look forward to hearing your responses. Cheers! >>> -Jake >>> >>> On Nov 27, 1:44 pm, jerrypins7 <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Thanks Jake! >>> >>> > Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Nov 26, 2011, at 6:33 AM, Jake <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> > > Okay, so here is the link to download. I suggest using cyberduck (if >>> > > you have a mac) to do some exploring. >>> >>> > > System 6.0.3: >>> > > ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.3_Disk1of4.sea.bin >>> > > ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.3_Disk2of4.sea.bin >>> > > ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.3_Disk3of4.sea.bin >>> > > ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.3_Disk4of4.sea.bin >>> > > ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.3.txt >>> >>> > > System 6.0.5: >>> > > ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.5_Disk1of4.sea.bin >>> > > ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.5_Disk2of4.sea.bin >>> > > ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.5_Disk3of4.sea.bin >>> > > ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.5_Disk4of4.sea.bin >>> > > ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.5.txt >>> >>> > > System 6.0.8 (1.4MB Images) >>> > > ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.8-1.4MB_Disk1of2.sea >>> > > .bin >>> > > ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.8-1.4MB_Disk2of2.sea >>> > > .bin >>> >>> > > System 6.0.8 (800k Images) >>> > > ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.8-800k_Disk1of4.sea. >>> > > bin >>> > > ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.8-800k_Disk2of4.sea. >>> > > bin >>> > > ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.8-800k_Disk3of4.sea. >>> > > bin >>> > > ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.8-800k_Disk4of4.sea. >>> > > bin >>> > > ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.8_Info.txt >>> >>> > > System 6.0.8L (for Macintosh Classic II and PowerBook 100 only) >>> > > ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.8L-1.4MB_Disk1of2.si >>> > > t >>> > > ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.8L-1.4MB_Disk2of2.si >>> > > t >>> >>> > > Enjoy! >>> > > -Jake >>> >>> > > On Nov 25, 12:07 pm, jerrypins7 <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >> Can anyone supply me with a copy of 6.0.8 for my SE or direct me > > >>> > >> >> >> where >>> > >> I can get that OS (currently running on 6.0.4)? Also, I can't get >>> > >> connected to my third-party external hard drive. Any suggestions? >>> >>> > >> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > >> On Nov 24, 2011, at 5:19 PM, Jake <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> > >>> Okay, so I have been a mad scientist trying to build a network for > >>> > >>> >>> > >>> my >>> > >>> vintage macs. I thought it would be good to give a current >>> > >>> configuration of my machines and systems before I ask my next >>> > >>> question. Here goes! >>> >>> > >>> Macintosh SE: >>> > >>> System: OS 7 (6.0.8 via floppy if necessary) >>> > >>> HD: 6gb (4 partitions) IDE drive. Converted to SCSI using an > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> R-IDSC-E/ >>> > >>> R chip. >>> > >>> Working ADB keyboard and mouse. (+1 adb trackpad I own) >>> > >>> Floppy: Two 1.4mb drives (running for 800k due to ROM issues) >>> > >>> Two serial ports, one DB25, two ADB, one DB19. >>> >>> > >>> Macintosh Performa 6110CD(Power Mac 6110): >>> > >>> No HD (bought a 9gb scsi drive...coming in mail soon) >>> > >>> One floppy drive (1.4mb) >>> > >>> One cd-rom drive (not working too well...don't know why...could be >>> > >>> some driver issues) >>> > >>> Working keyboard and mouse (adb) >>> > >>> Working VGA display (using a hdi-45 to db15 cable and a Griffin PNP >>> > >>> display adapter) >>> > >>> Two serial ports, one db25 port, one adb port, one AAUI Ethernet > > >>> > >>> >>> >>> port >>> >>> > >>> PowerBook 1400cs: >>> > >>> HD: 750mb >>> > >>> OS: 7.5.3 >>> > >>> Hot swappable 800k/1.44mb floppy and cd-rom drives >>> > >>> One serial port >>> > >>> Built in keyboard and trackpad >>> > >>> One adb port >>> > >>> No working battery >>> >>> > >>> Newton eMate 300: >>> > >>> Standard configuration >>> > >>> No power supply >>> > >>> Battery is shot (completely dead) >>> > >>> Been charging with a dc power adapter actually made for my home > > >>> > >>> >>> >>> phone >>> > >>> system...seems to turn it on fine. >>> >>> > >>> Okay, so that is the current configuration of my machines. I also > > >>> > >>> >>> >>> have >>> > >>> purchased the following: >>> > >>> 3 farallon Phonenet minidin8 adapters >>> > >>> 1 AAUI to Ethernet adapter >>> > >>> Assorted cables for the whole network... >>> >>> > >>> Okay, so moving on. I was planning to use the Performa as a bridge >>> > >>> machine to allow for Internet to pass through. After all, it does > > >>> > >>> >>> >>> have >>> > >>> LocalTalk and Ethernet access. However, my issue came when I was >>> > >>> trying to figure out how to configure it. The machine has no HD at > >>> > >>> >>> > >>> the >>> > >>> moment, and the HD it had was shot anyway. >>> > >>> How can I get system software (<7.5.x) onto the new HD when it >>> > >>> arrives? I have thought floppy, but I cannot seem to find > >>> >>> > >>> compatible >>> > >>> software that would allow me to get onto floppy disks. The only > > >>> > >>> >>> >>> system >>> > >>> software I found was a 19-part download on apple's website, but > >>> >>> > >>> that >>> > >>> just mounted (on the PowerBook) as a ~50mb folder or something. > > >>> > >>> >>> >>> Inside >>> > >>> was an installer app. Obviously I cannot divide that into floppies, > >>> > >>> >>> > >>> as >>> > >>> no actual disks were inside. Suggestions? >>> >>> > >>> Also, what is a good piece of software to act as a bridge to allow > >>> > >>> >>> > >>> the >>> > >>> incoming Ethernet TCP/IP packets over the AppleTalk network? I know >>> > >>> that natively you cannot send TCP over LocalTalk, but using 3rd > > >>> > >>> >>> >>> party >>> > >>> software or hardware you can. >>> > >>> Also, in case that fails, what is a good piece of hardware that > >>> >>> > >>> will >>> > >>> allow for an Ethernet Internet "provider" over Phonenet? 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