appletalk should be printer port..
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jake Tesler" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: Mac SE SCSI
What should the AppleTalk control panels be displayed as again? On the
performa...Ethernet or printer port?
I'll try your setup...thanks for the suggestions!
Cheers!
-Jake
On Dec 5, 2011, at 11:13 PM, "dale-gmail" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jake;
> the 'system' hang could be caused by no or bad termination resistors on
> the AppleTalk/phonenet network.
> each end of the connections need resistors installed in the empty holes.
> resistor ->system 1 ->cable ->system 2-->cable -> system 3 ->resistor.
> I have had 'system' hang/crash happen when the terminator resistor was
> not
> installed.
> tcp/ip control panel/window on each machine, the only difference is the
> manual address.:
> AppleTalk(macip)
> manual config
> ip address 192.168.1.(1,2,3)
> router 192.168.1.1
> name server address(dns) 10.0.1.1 and named dns(does not have to be a
> real one)
> of course the performa 6110 should be the 192.168.1.1 ip address.
> then
> click on 'info' should show the ip address/router address info plus the
> open transport and tcp/ip version numbers.
> my open transport and tcp/ip versions are 1.3 on lc 475's
> SE = macTCP 2.0.6
> I have OS 8.1 on a lc 475, OS 7.6.1 on lc 475 and system 7.5.5 on SE.
> they
> are all 680x0 machines
> the OS 8.1 machine is the Internet connection and runs ipnetrouter..
> the rest are connect thru AppleTalk/phonenet connections.
> no problems here with file sharing
> if sharing is set up, clicking on chooser and then appleshare should
> show
> the other machine names in the box. selecting one of the names and then
> o.k. should show the shared volumes.
> file share works whether IpNetRouter is up or not.
> if tcpip panel/window is configured as above, Internet connection only
> works when ipnetrouter is running.
> ipnetrouter configures the Ethernet connection.
> try getting sharing working first.
> not sure if you need to allow volume share first.
> select volume name - then file - then sharing to see.
> dale
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jake Tesler" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 5:20 PM
> Subject: Re: Mac SE SCSI
> Thanks for the suggestions! Under the new setup, a few things
> happened...
> First, I cannot file share between my systems. Second, while the
> Internet
> on the performa worked, the PowerBook and SE still did not. lastly, and
> this could be unrelated, but after fiddling around for about 10 minutes,
> all of the connected systems "crashed" simultaneously. By crashed I mean
> that they froze, and the mouse moved, but the rest of the GUI was
> frozen.
> Forced restart was required.
> What am I doing wrong? Help!
> First, what is the PowerBook TCP/IP configuration of nameservers...etc?
> Second, what is the AppleTalk configuration supposed to be for all
> machines?
> Also, not to add to the issues, but is there a way to simultaneously
> have
> this setup AND have file sharing between macs (LocalTalk)?
> I can use the AppleTalk control panel to choose what system to connect
> to,
> but I can't choose both. Would LocalTalk bridge solve this problem?
> -Jake
> On Dec 5, 2011, at 2:03 AM, "dale-gmail" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> o.k. most of config is o.k.
>> 1. the performa (6110) tcp/ip panel should be pointing at
>> AppleTalk(macip)
>> address = 192.168.1.1 router address = 192.168.1.1
>> and name server = 10.0.1.1 (if that is the router address)
>> and a dummy name server name i.e. sammie.homer or a real one if you
>> know
>> the name.
>> 2. gateway panel :
>> ip forwarding = 'automatic'
>> 'enable local NAT' and 'DNS forwarding' boxes checked (only ones
>> checked)
>> upon open = 'configure and display'
>> exposed host = 'gateway' (button)
>> you should wind up with two port mapping entries.
>> UDP type with addresses filled in automatically.
>> 6110 should still connect to internet (browser, etc)
>> and powerbook should connect to internet (browser,etc)
>> seewww.ccadams.org/se/for the SE browsers
>> as they say, it works here.
>> hopefully the tunneling works correctly.
>> not real familiar with the tunnel set up.
>> the connections go from browser to appletalk(macip) to ipnetrouter to
>> ethernet to router to world...
>> there are no inbound connections from the outside.
>> (there are ways to inbound connect, but not necessary to access the
>> internet).
>> 'fetch4' works on 68k macs (version 4.0.3) it is for classic macs so
>> should work on 6110/powerbook
>>http://www.macorchard.com/filetransfer/Fetch.php
>> dale
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jake" <[email protected]>
>> To: "Vintage Macs" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 9:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: Mac SE SCSI
>> IPNetRouter configuration:
>> Interfaces:
>> State: Port name: Interface: IP: Mask:
>> (up) (glasses) Ethernet enetDRVRO 10.0.1.31 255.255.255.0
>> (up) AppleTalk (MacIP) ddp0 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.0
>> Routing:
>> Route Type: Destination: Gateway: Interface Name:
>> Direct 10.0.1.0 10.0.1.31 enetDRVRO
>> Direct 192.168.1.0 192.168.1.1 ddp0
>> Direct 224.0.0.0 10.0.1.31 enetDRVRO
>> Default-Gateway [blank] 10.0.1.1 [blank]
>> Port Mapping: nothing there not a single entry.
>> TCP/IP:
>> Performa: Ethernet
>> SE: Printer Port
>> PowerBook: Modem/Printer port
>> Is that what you were looking for?
>> On Dec 4, 12:06 pm, "dale-gmail" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> need to see the config panels on ipnetrouter..
>>> just the addresses.and masks (line items)
>>> from:
>>> 1 interfaces
>>> 2 routes
>>> 3 port mapping
>>> and the tcp/ip panel also
>>> on all three connected via localtalk
>>> 1 powerbook
>>> 2 6110
>>> 3 SE
>>> browsers:
>>> icab and IE 4.01
>>> work just fine also
>>> dale
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jake" <[email protected]>
>>> To: "Vintage Macs" <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 9:24 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Mac SE SCSI
>>> Okay, so here it goes:
>>> At the moment, I am staring at two things.
>>> The first is my laptop screen, so I can see what I am typing as I
>>> compose this message.
>>> The second is my Performa 6110CD, which I was using to check my email
>>> on gmail.
>>> YES, I have networked my Performa 6110CD to the internet. :)
>>> Quick recap on that hookup:
>>> Farallon EtherMac AAUI to RJ-45 10BaseT Ethernet adapter, hooked up to
>>> a cable modem (or more specifically, an airport extreme). Surfing
>>> through OpenTransport (latest for system 7.6.1); TCP/IP control panel
>>> configured to connect via Ethernet. Browser of choice (only one
>>> available) is Netscape Navigator.
>>> Performa booting off HD, which is actually a 80-pin UltraWide SCSI
>>> interface, running through several adapters (80 pin -> 68pin -> 50pin)
>>> to reach the 50 pin interface connecting to the motherboard. Other
>>> connected SCSI devices: Apple 300Plus CD-ROM drive, HP Tape Drive, and
>>> this is not on the chain, but a floppy drive as well (1.44MB). Cable
>>> I'm using has a drop for one more device, should I choose to add
>>> another.
>>> The hurdle is almost over. Hang tight, everybody! Still need to fix a
>>> few issues, and I have a quick (new) question. Here goes:
>>> I cannot seem to find a correct setup to route the ethernet internet
>>> connection to my other macs via LocalTalk. Apparently, AppleTalk and
>>> LocalTalk connections do NOT have the ability to forward TCP packets,
>>> so I need to "encapsulate" those TCP packets within an AppleTalk
>>> connection. Localtalk Bridge has failed, so moving on to another piece
>>> of software.
>>> At the suggestions of others, I have downloaded IPNetRouter from
>>> Sustainable Softworks. I have tried to set it up to route my ethernet
>>> TCP/IP packets through MacIP or local talk (or something), but have
>>> since been unsuccessful. I think I am simply not setting it up
>>> correctly. Also, the configuration utility has failed, and I cannot
>>> get any routing connection to work.
>>> I have both interface connections set up in IPNetRouter, the ethernet
>>> has IP Masquerading ON, set to an IP of 10.0.1.31 (permanently
>>> assigned by my airport router network). From the airport (network)
>>> side, I have tunneled incoming TCP port 4670 to route directly to the
>>> IP address (the configuration utility requires it).
>>> The LocalTalk interface has a starting IP of 192.168.1.1 (for the host
>>> Performa), and the other computers have 192.168.1.2 and 192.168.1.3
>>> for the Powerbook and the SE, respectively. What I am I doing wrong?
>>> Does anybody have any suggestions, or does anybody have a way of
>>> setting it up successfully? Any help would be appreciated.
>>> Second issue: I have an old tape drive (DDS2) that connects to my SCSI
>>> chain. It is an old HP C1539, I think, and I cannot get Mac OS 7.6.1
>>> to format and read from the tapes. I have tried MicroNet and Lido
>>> software, and nothing will even acknowledge that a tape is present! It
>>> sees the drive (Sequential-Access Tape Drive), and a model number and
>>> other pieces of minor info, but it doesn't see the tape. Is it
>>> possible to use an old tape drive like that as another drive? For
>>> example, can I insert a tape into the drive, and (somehow) store files
>>> to it like I can a hard drive?
>>> Is it the lack of software I'm using should I be using something more
>>> specific? If so, DL links would be appreciated!
>>> (Also, unrelated minor note, anybody have suggestions for a good FTP
>>> browser for system 7? I want to download some files off an FTP server,
>>> but don't have any software. Ideas?)
>>> Thanks for the help, everybody. I really appreciate it. Because of
>>> everybody here, I have resurrected some old macs, and turned then from
>>> useless scraps to working, functional, and modernized machines. *Tips
>>> hat to everybody*.
>>> So, I look forward to hearing your responses. Cheers!
>>> -Jake
>>> On Nov 27, 1:44 pm, jerrypins7 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> > Thanks Jake!
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> > On Nov 26, 2011, at 6:33 AM, Jake <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> > > Okay, so here is the link to download. I suggest using cyberduck
>>> > > (if
>>> > > you have a mac) to do some exploring.
>>> > > System 6.0.3:
>>> > >
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.3_Disk1of4.sea.bin
>>> > >
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.3_Disk2of4.sea.bin
>>> > >
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.3_Disk3of4.sea.bin
>>> > >
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.3_Disk4of4.sea.bin
>>> > >
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.3.txt
>>> > > System 6.0.5:
>>> > >
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.5_Disk1of4.sea.bin
>>> > >
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.5_Disk2of4.sea.bin
>>> > >
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.5_Disk3of4.sea.bin
>>> > >
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.5_Disk4of4.sea.bin
>>> > >
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.5.txt
>>> > > System 6.0.8 (1.4MB Images)
>>> > >
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.8-1.4MB_Disk1of2.sea
>>> > > .bin
>>> > >
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.8-1.4MB_Disk2of2.sea
>>> > > .bin
>>> > > System 6.0.8 (800k Images)
>>> > >
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.8-800k_Disk1of4.sea.
>>> > > bin
>>> > >
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.8-800k_Disk2of4.sea.
>>> > > bin
>>> > >
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.8-800k_Disk3of4.sea.
>>> > > bin
>>> > >
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.8-800k_Disk4of4.sea.
>>> > > bin
>>> > >
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.8_Info.txt
>>> > > System 6.0.8L (for Macintosh Classic II and PowerBook 100 only)
>>> > >
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.8L-1.4MB_Disk1of2.si t
>>> > >
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.8L-1.4MB_Disk2of2.si t
>>> > > Enjoy!
>>> > > -Jake
>>> > > On Nov 25, 12:07 pm, jerrypins7 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> > >> Can anyone supply me with a copy of 6.0.8 for my SE or direct me
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > >> >> where
>>> > >> I can get that OS (currently running on 6.0.4)? Also, I can't get
>>> > >> connected to my third-party external hard drive. Any suggestions?
>>> > >> Sent from my iPhone
>>> > >> On Nov 24, 2011, at 5:19 PM, Jake <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> > >>> Okay, so I have been a mad scientist trying to build a network
>>> > >>> for
>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> my
>>> > >>> vintage macs. I thought it would be good to give a current
>>> > >>> configuration of my machines and systems before I ask my next
>>> > >>> question. Here goes!
>>> > >>> Macintosh SE:
>>> > >>> System: OS 7 (6.0.8 via floppy if necessary)
>>> > >>> HD: 6gb (4 partitions) IDE drive. Converted to SCSI using an >
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> > >>> R-IDSC-E/
>>> > >>> R chip.
>>> > >>> Working ADB keyboard and mouse. (+1 adb trackpad I own)
>>> > >>> Floppy: Two 1.4mb drives (running for 800k due to ROM issues)
>>> > >>> Two serial ports, one DB25, two ADB, one DB19.
>>> > >>> Macintosh Performa 6110CD(Power Mac 6110):
>>> > >>> No HD (bought a 9gb scsi drive...coming in mail soon)
>>> > >>> One floppy drive (1.4mb)
>>> > >>> One cd-rom drive (not working too well...don't know why...could
>>> > >>> be
>>> > >>> some driver issues)
>>> > >>> Working keyboard and mouse (adb)
>>> > >>> Working VGA display (using a hdi-45 to db15 cable and a Griffin
>>> > >>> PNP
>>> > >>> display adapter)
>>> > >>> Two serial ports, one db25 port, one adb port, one AAUI Ethernet
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > >>> >>> port
>>> > >>> PowerBook 1400cs:
>>> > >>> HD: 750mb
>>> > >>> OS: 7.5.3
>>> > >>> Hot swappable 800k/1.44mb floppy and cd-rom drives
>>> > >>> One serial port
>>> > >>> Built in keyboard and trackpad
>>> > >>> One adb port
>>> > >>> No working battery
>>> > >>> Newton eMate 300:
>>> > >>> Standard configuration
>>> > >>> No power supply
>>> > >>> Battery is shot (completely dead)
>>> > >>> Been charging with a dc power adapter actually made for my home
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > >>> >>> phone
>>> > >>> system...seems to turn it on fine.
>>> > >>> Okay, so that is the current configuration of my machines. I
>>> > >>> also
>>> > >>> > > >>> >>> have
>>> > >>> purchased the following:
>>> > >>> 3 farallon Phonenet minidin8 adapters
>>> > >>> 1 AAUI to Ethernet adapter
>>> > >>> Assorted cables for the whole network...
>>> > >>> Okay, so moving on. I was planning to use the Performa as a
>>> > >>> bridge
>>> > >>> machine to allow for Internet to pass through. After all, it
>>> > >>> does
>>> > >>> > > >>> >>> have
>>> > >>> LocalTalk and Ethernet access. However, my issue came when I was
>>> > >>> trying to figure out how to configure it. The machine has no HD
>>> > >>> at
>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> the
>>> > >>> moment, and the HD it had was shot anyway.
>>> > >>> How can I get system software (<7.5.x) onto the new HD when it
>>> > >>> arrives? I have thought floppy, but I cannot seem to find > >>>
>>> > >>> compatible
>>> > >>> software that would allow me to get onto floppy disks. The only
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > >>> >>> system
>>> > >>> software I found was a 19-part download on apple's website, but
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >>> that
>>> > >>> just mounted (on the PowerBook) as a ~50mb folder or something.
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > >>> >>> Inside
>>> > >>> was an installer app. Obviously I cannot divide that into
>>> > >>> floppies, > >>> > >>> as
>>> > >>> no actual disks were inside. Suggestions?
>>> > >>> Also, what is a good piece of software to act as a bridge to
>>> > >>> allow
>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> the
>>> > >>> incoming Ethernet TCP/IP packets over the AppleTalk network? I
>>> > >>> know
>>> > >>> that natively you cannot send TCP over LocalTalk, but using 3rd
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > >>> >>> party
>>> > >>> software or hardware you can.
>>> > >>> Also, in case that fails, what is a good piece of hardware that
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >>> will
>>> > >>> allow for an Ethernet Internet "provider" over Phonenet? I have
>>> > >>> set > >>> > >>> up
>>> > >>> a Phonenet network (connected the computers via a LocalTalk
>>> > >>> serial
>>> > >>> connection), and I know that there is hardware
>>> ...
>>> read more
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