The first oil change will have a metallic goo on the sump Darin plate due to the new bearings first layer of soft lead that wears off in initial break in. Also the rings break in to the cylinder walls and the cam beds into the lifters. This all creates a lot of fine metallic swarf in the oil. Completely normal and expected. That’s why the first oil changes need to be shorter intervals.
Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 9, 2019, at 17:33, Kirin Jacobsen <[email protected]> wrote: > > Oil was totally metal colored. Sump screen was actually pretty clean, there > was a fair bit of goo on the sump plate and some material on the magnetic oil > plug. Oil pump actually looks really good. Heres some more photos of the > bearings and I'm reasonably sure that the pitting on one of the lifters means > they should be replaced. > > https://scontent.fyka1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51626504_10161513592440074_6526912270444789760_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent.fyka1-1.fna&oh=b9b8dc0a3ac0debf13f14a5df2d5ac89&oe=5CE78F30 > > https://scontent.fyka1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51645271_10161513592535074_7318808011084922880_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent.fyka1-1.fna&oh=3d013bdd50e52caeb0474ba19af3ce84&oe=5CF79CE1 > > And yes I'm planning on properly attaching the pickup extension > https://scontent.fyka1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51892059_10161513592615074_8472706637931479040_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent.fyka1-1.fna&oh=2a5d84266a9803a9a5df1019bbff2b2f&oe=5CF2499A > > https://scontent.fyka1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51685651_10161513592655074_1761470262521364480_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent.fyka1-1.fna&oh=1c025b3684ae2716341ba9fd2cc3d783&oe=5CB4991F > > https://scontent.fyka1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/52390016_10161513592715074_4957441764907548672_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ht=scontent.fyka1-1.fna&oh=11438dc6045ddd4a080fa36b5fc8769a&oe=5CEC9A37 > > https://scontent.fyka1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51677767_10161513592780074_372134267381088256_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent.fyka1-1.fna&oh=798a1bc650e0ef49221c9f7c664ebe22&oe=5CECA506 > > -Kirin > >> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 1:51 PM Dave C. Bolen <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> Kirin, >> >> Yes, near as I can tell, metal flecks in the oil? >> >> Looks like the piston/cylinder seal was breached and metal particles were >> in the oil in the sump. >> >> If you haven't thrown away the filter, open it up and see what it caught. >> >> Bigger chunks in the filter screen? Take a look at your gears in the oil >> pump for sure. >> >> Cheers, dave >> >> On Sat, 9 Feb 2019, Kirin Jacobsen wrote: >> >> > Morning all,Heres some photos since they are worth a thousand words. So >> > here is a photo dump. >> > >> > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/45348668_10161157046835074_2735175675357954048_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna&oh=c0a984fb1f3 >> > 2e2f4d3277cee46dde07d&oe=5CEAB4AF >> > >> > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51703035_10161512286945074_1593177616909598720_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna&oh=f3aedea65c1 >> > f0c74265db845a6ba7f28&oe=5CE1D719 >> > >> > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/52008447_10161512287070074_6063943499202428928_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna&oh=2acd3a7e2da >> > 632c310cf047177125a2e&oe=5CFCC63D >> > >> > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51559141_10161512287165074_2895131862462627840_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna&oh=75f9ac483b4 >> > 0718123c4075b2199386b&oe=5CEF8B78 >> > >> > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51689235_10161512287245074_493753829804736512_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna&oh=90a4ceaecb01 >> > 63076413eef69c21f621&oe=5CE74A40 >> > >> > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51953782_10161512287320074_993443841283457024_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna&oh=aa25a30f9607 >> > 745e0f6815ed1ccb87a0&oe=5CE9F119 >> > >> > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51590747_10161512287400074_4824425330670305280_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna&oh=0cee3e11b9a >> > f874379bd20f75e67e684&oe=5CEB5303 >> > >> > And hopefully that helps >> > >> > -Kirin >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 5:29 AM Dave C. Bolen <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > Kirin, >> > >> > When you say the oil looked terrible, what do you mean?...just from >> > sitting?...condensation? >> > >> > If the ring lands of cylinder #3 look good and the cross hatching is >> > still >> > there with no flaws, you should not have any metal parts from the >> > head >> > or piston in your oil. >> > >> > I don't think I would be worried about the oil cooler or passage ways >> > since you have an oil filter, right? >> > >> > I just can't think of any way that you would have metal bits in your >> > oil >> > unless the piston had an actual hole in it... >> > >> > Did I miss something? >> > >> > Cheers, dave >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, 8 Feb 2019, Kirin Jacobsen wrote: >> > >> > > Hey all,Finally I'm digging into fixing my "New" but wounded 1914. >> > It's mostly torn apart but its time to start cleaning it. Its been full >> > flowed, was a new >> > > case with new everything with under 1000 miles on it when it had >> > foreign object damage and bashed up cylinder 3 and its cylinder head. >> > > >> > > Thus far from what I can see the bearings look good. The oil that >> > came out of it after the damage looked terrible. All the pistons and >> > cylinders still had >> > > their cross hatching on it. Cylinder 3 has some where at the top >> > of it but all the ring lands are intact but they piston top is obviously >> > bashed up. Right >> > > now my plan of attack is clean the snot out of the block. Most >> > likely I think I should replace my oil cooler. Will flush out all the oil >> > passage ways. I'm >> > > thinking its wise to check for clearances on the bearings even >> > though they look good. I'm debating picking up a new set of lifters since >> > there >> > is some >> > > pitting. >> > > >> > > Probably time for a big photo dump so you can see the damage.... >> > > >> > > Happy Friday and I'm sure there will be more questions coming form >> > me in the near future. >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Visit the VintagVW archives at >> > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >> > > --- >> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups "VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List" group. >> > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> > send an email to [email protected]. >> > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. >> > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > Visit the VintagVW archives at >> > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >> > --- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups "VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> > send an email to [email protected]. >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > >> > -- >> > Visit the VintagVW archives at >> > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >> > --- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> > "VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> > email to [email protected]. >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Visit the VintagVW archives at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > Visit the VintagVW archives at > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List" group. 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