Sieghard, thank you for your comments. I think one of the reasons that so many of us find it hard to use iTunes is that most don't want to use it very often. Therefore, whatever you learn tends to get forgotten or quickly superseded by the next version that is rolled out! That's when it becomes frustrating. I just wish they would leave it alone once they have got it working well for us,
Carol P Sent from my iPhone using MBraille On 2 May 2016, at 23:03, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: Hi Carol, iTunes has a few areas that are difficult to deal with, mainly iTunes file transfer and syncing apps. Everything else is actually not that difficult and I always wonder why there seems to be an almost awe-like fear of iTunes. Syncing apps is also easily done, it’s just that it used to be easier and primarily it was easy to go through your entire list of apps, check the ones you wanted and then sync them to your iPhone all at once. Now it’s easiest if you use the search box and type in the name of the app you want, then tab a few times to where you hear “Install” and then activate that, then activate “Apply” or start a sync. I just did a bunch of apps this way on the 6S we got replaced and which my wife now has. Music and ringtones can still be selected and synced easily and doing updates, restores and backups is also not difficult. I also find navigating the iTunes Store relatively easy with Jaws 17. I can still search for an app or a song or an artist and press Control+Enter instead of just enter to search the iTunes store instead of my local library. Then I just wait a bit until the page loads and you can use headings to go to the different areas like “Songs”, “Albums”, “iPad Apps”, “iPhone Apps” etc. I have been meaning to try Mark’s suggestion and use the Jaws touch cursor to see how that helps, but for the most part F6, tab, Control+F and the shortcuts for the various media libraries like Control+1 for music, Control+2 for movies etc. work very well. I do agree that it’s a shame that the iCloud website hasn’t been made accessible by a company that prides itself on accessibility, but iTunes is not nearly as bad as many people make it out to be. Regards, Sieghard From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 10:19 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers Hi all, I wonder, seriously, if it's time to talk with Apple about this. We almost all hate iTunes with a passion, ... and it's not surprising! It's really unfair that VI's should have to put up with this all the time ... It's so bad that Apple should let such a standard exist for those of us who really need iTunes to be straightforward, work flawlessly out of the box, have minimal changes made and ... heaps more! We could all write to Accessability but, before we do, can some of those who are knowledgeable perhaps give us all the things that don't currently work or were broken with iOS 9? Then we could write individually, perhaps. Does anyone know if there are strong enough feelings within Applevis for those who are obviously probably more clued up than the average iTunes VI user about the problems and would back us in a meaningful way? If anyone feels they could draft anything appropriate for us to tweak then that may also be worth it before sending, so that we don't all say exactly the same thing! Perhaps they should be encouraged to write an app specially for us that really works, that can only be used with an I device which is obviously running VoiceOver (so could be detected). Yes, OK, theoretically, others could turn on VO just to use the programme, and I guess some would as many sighted people hate it - but maybe there are other safeguards Apple could write into the programme, perhaps even being prepared to give us a special ID code. Well, I've opened a can of worms here and please remember these are just thoughts off the top of my head ... so let's keep this thread going awhile! Carol P - Who hates iTunes with a passion and uses as little as she can get away with! Carol P On 29/04/2016 06:30, Gordan Radić wrote: Yes, I agree, iTunes for Windows is a pain. I really can't comprehend why this app is so complicated. It could be as useful as it is with much, much more simpler interface but Apple keeps it up complicated. There's also a problem with interface changes on every major version update. I can do basic things such as syncing ringtones and multimedia, backup and restore but browsing the App Store or use a file sharing feature is driving me crazy. And, iCloud Drive for Windows can't be used if you don't have sighted assistance for the initial setup... Bad job, Apple! S poštovanjem Gordan Radić <image001.gif> <image002.png> <image003.png> <image004.png> 29.4.2016. u 3:15, Richard Turner je napisao/la: As a Window-Eyes user, I'd like to say that this is true, and in some ways it is. However, the real truth, in my opinion, is that Apple makes it very hard for Windows based screen readers to work well with iTunes. >From what I have heard from JAWS and NVDA users, is that some'things work fine >with those screen readers and some things don't. That is true with Window-Eyes as well. It really depends on how much one uses iTunes and what aspects the person uses the most as to which screen reader might perform the best. No matter which screen reader you use, the bottom line is you need to know how to use it's advanced features if you are going to get anywhere with the Windows version of iTunes. GW Micro was the first ones to really work with Apple to make iTunes accessible. But the later versions of iTunes have made everything more complicated. Richard “The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues.” Elizabeth Taylor (Sent from my iPhone 5S) On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if friend of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior representative that window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only screen reader which Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it literally has been years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of changes have happened with both window eyes and iTunes since then I suspect that this is the case of apple not keeping their propaganda, I mean their publication, up-to-date. So for you who use Windows version of iTunes and screen readers two questions. One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes works perfectly well with the latest version of window eyes? 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