Just about how long people are sticking to old devices. I got the feeling you're saying people should ditch their devices every year or two. I must have gett it all wrong, I didn't finish my morning cup of coffee while reading your post, sorry.



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28.8.2016. u 21:56, Christopher Chaltain je napisao/la:
I'm not sure what you're objecting to exactly.

I agree with you though. I'm still getting through a whole day on my iPhone 4S. It isn't going to compete with an iPhone 6, but depending on how you use it, I think it's still usable.

On 28/08/16 04:11, Gordan Radić wrote:
Hi!

I have to object on this one.

I bought my old 4S back in 2012. when it was last years model.

I used it untill october 2015. with no problems at all. When I got my
new device I did some tests with old 4S and along others, I fully
charged it, disabled WiFi and Bluetooth and removed the SIM card from
it. I just locked the phone and it was on stand by for the next 8 days
meaning the battery in it was significantly strong at the time beeing.

Today my old 4S is borrowed to one of my friends and he is using it on a
daily basis, talking, texting, hanging on Facebook and following some
sites rather more than I did and the battery is holding about day and a
half.

If this continues in this mannor I asume this phone will last atleast
next two years with iOS 9.3.5 or some possible update in 9.x.

Of course, working with it is not as nice and ellegant as working with
6S but for someone who just needs calling, texting and alarm clock is
far better solution than some cheap Android POC or spending significant
ammount of money for some new iOS device. I have to remind you not all
countries have free iPhones on operators contract and here in EU we're
paying about $100 more for the same models because of EU WWATT and
shipping or whatever.


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27.8.2016. u 20:00, Christopher Chaltain je napisao/la:
Is this really Apple's rule? I couldn't find anything on line with a
quick web search. I remember everyone was surprised when Apple
continued to support the 4S with IOS 9, which would have been four
years and not five, if the 4S would have stopped at IOS 8.

Whether it's a rule or not, and whether it's four or five years,
Apple's support for older hardware is truly outstanding in the mobile
space.

I would agree that if you're worried about whether you get an IOS
upgrade or the SE in 2020 then you should wait to see what the fall
brings. As Sieghard says though, the SE will still work on the last
version of IOS it supports even if you can't move up to the next
version. Also, how many people hold on to their smart phones that long
in the first place? I've seen us 4S users on this list get responses
that we should just upgrade, even when asking questions that have
nothing to do with the 4S and it's hardware.

On 27/08/16 08:37, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Knowing that this is Apple's rule at this point it doesn't mean this
will change. Also, if somebody who couldn't care less about the
latest features had an iPhone 4S which still worked well for what
they are doing they can still use it for years to come with iOS
9.3.5. Of course the reality is that a device that is 5 or 6 or even
7 years old will most likely need a new battery and why pay for that
if you could get whatever iPhone is free on contract. The exception
here would be somebody who maybe is happy to use the iPhone 4S with a
prepaid service or with a low-cost MVNO. My Mom has an iPad 2 from
2011 which also will not get iOS 10 this year. She already asked me
if she could still use it and I said that of course she can since
while it is a bit slow compared to new devices, it is still going
strong.


Regards,
Sieghard


-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 2:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

Missing from this discussion is that Apple stops providing upgrade
ability to iPhones after five years.  The SE is based on 2015
technology and likely cannot accept the new iOS in 2020.  The iPhone
7 will likely not be able to receive a new iOS in 2021, based on past
Apple practice.  For example, the 4s will not be able to accept iOS
10 that will be out later this year.

Kelly

On 8/26/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
I just wonder what Apple's long term plans are. Are they going to
eventually sync the SE up with the rest of the IOS products or are
they going to continue to have multiple hardware releases in the year?
I can see where a spring release might take some of the thunder away
from the other smart phone manufacturers who line their product
releases up with the show in Barcelona, but I also know that operating
system development is more complicated when you have to support
different hardware schedules.

On 26/08/16 22:12, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Some people may be mad, but as Christopher said, it's up to everybody
to do their research. There will also be a lot of users who are not
super technical users who couldn't care less if a new smaller form
factor phone were released. They may hear about it in a news article
from a major news outlet, but the fact is that a large majority of
people are users who do not necessarily follow each Apple Event.
Anyhow, when it comes down to it Apple couldn't care less if they
made 10% of their user base mad, after all, they did this with the
iPad a few years ago. Also, for whatever it's worth, I don't think
they are going to release a new 4 inch phone in September, at this
point there would be many more rumours and some of which from sources
who in the past have been very credible and there are no such rumours.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

Well, Apple did not release the iPhone SE when it released its other
phones last fall. It waited several months before doing so. And, when
the phone was released, there was a major back up, so people waited
weeks before getting their phones. That is fairly typical for Apple
phone releases, and they admitted that they underestimated the demand
for this particular phone. So, you have a case where people just
purchased phone maybe in June or July, and here we are in September
almost, traditional iPhone release time. If Apple releases a new SE
now in sync with all of its other phone releases, I think the folks
who purchased their phones recently are going to be upset. You know,
Apple, why didn't you release this phone last fall with all of the
others? Why did you wait over half a year, then release the phone,
and right on top of it, release another one?
That's why I figure people would not be happy.
Mary


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On Aug 26, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Christopher Chaltain
<chalt...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Why are you saying people would be hopping mad if Apple came out
with an upgraded smaller form factor phone just six months after
the SE came out?
Are you talking about the same people who get mad when something
goes on sale after they paid full price for it? I never got this
reasoning since this would mean the only way to make everyone happy
is to never put something on sale. I'd assume anyone who knows Apple
knows they release new phones in the fall, so I'd think anyone who
bought an SE would know that there would be a chance Apple might
include a smaller form factor phone in this fall's line up. I don't
think Apple would ever promise not to refresh a phone model any more
frequently than once a year. I also don't see what anyone who has an
SE would be missing out on if Apple upgraded the specs of the SE
this fall.

On 26/08/16 11:42, Mary Otten wrote:
Christine said she preferred, or at least liked the smaller screen.
I can't imagine Apple introducing a new  small screen model. a lot
of people who just bought an iPhone SE are going to be hopping mad
if they do. Not that making people mad has stopped Apple from doing
things in the past. Smile.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:

This may also depend on whether you want the larger screen, more
than likely, the iphone 7 will have a larger screen as the 6 and 6
plus do, not sure if Apple will have a newer SE version with the
iphone 7 specs, so if you want the smaller screen, the iphone SE
might be a good choice, should be interesting to see what Apple
introduces though.
Original message:
Hello Christine,

Were I you, given the situation as you have described it, this is
to say, you have access to an interim phone to use until the
release of iPhone 7, I would recommend that you wait until iPhone
7 is released before using your upgrade privileges.

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of Christine Grassman
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

      Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade
toward an iPhone 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was
brutally victimized by a car backing up today, and I am now faced
with using my upgrade for an SE, or using my daughter’s old 5C
until the iPHone 7 comes out. I don’t want the hassle of syncing
two new phones in rather quick succession, so I am trying to
figure out whether to just get the SE (I like the smaller
screen), or wait and see with the iPHone 7.
From what I’m able to gather, the main features of interest
involve improved camera, which I do not care about, and unless
there are any amazing features or improvements, I figure I may as
well wait for the ten-year anniversary for Apple to wow me.

In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for a few weeks; or 2. Use
my upgrade, get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7
isn’t worth wasting my upgrade or extra money.

TIA.
Christine

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