I agree with Richard. Many services and apps have been promoted here if that is what you want to call it. Just as an example I could point out that everybody seems to love Kosta and Ashley, the developers of Flicktype and their work deserves respect. While they have their own list now, they used to be and maybe still are on this list as well. I remember them and other developers asking for 5 Star ratings for their apps, many subscription services and models have been discussed and often people ask where they can buy a particular product or service. How often have I and others praised sonos equipment which strictly speaking has nothing to do with the Sonos app in itself. Mark even has often posted articles here which by his own admission had only a marginal connection to Apple and sometimes maybe the connection was to Apple but not even to the iPhone. I remember him not that long ago posting about how happy he was with his Belkin charging pad which while an iPhone accessory is not strictly an iPhone accessory since it will charge Android phones just the same. I really fail to see how you can discuss the Aira app without the service and while Aira probably already has or is probably planning to offer their app and service on Android that still doesn’t make it irrelevant to this list since most apps are also on Android and even Apple’s own music service is. I have been on this list for I think 9 years now and just recently thought how it has changed. Of course just as the iPhone has matured this list has also. I remember in the beginning that the list often had 100 messages a day and that just before, during and after events like the Apple Developer’s Conference in June or the big phone release in September traffic would spike although it often meant 20 messages from people who posted “downloading the new iOS update now” and so on. I used to be on Jonathan’s Blindphones list back around 2007 when I had a Windows mobile smartphone with MobileSpeak and eventually unsubscribed when I got my first iPhone and joined Viphone, but as Richard said, maybe it’s time to check out Blindphones now in this more modern time where iOS and Android are mature and well-established platforms. I certainly hope Mark will post a message and maybe let all of us know why he feels the way he does and then let us know if the arguments which were given are enough to make him reconsider his position.
Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 7:29 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: An Aria Update Marie N, I find your post offensive. I also disagree with Mark. Aira is a service I choose not to subscribe to personally, but see nothing wrong with its promotion on this list since this list is supposed to be about educating visually impaired iPhone users about things that are helpful using their phone. No one complains when the subscription service for Apple Music is discussed. No one complains when TuneIn Pro Premium subscriptions are discussed. I think Jonathan deserves an apology for being singled out for this exclusion. If this policy is not changed, I too will be unsubscribing. Richard The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker On Jan 27, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Marie N. <scribbl...@comcast.net<mailto:scribbl...@comcast.net>> wrote: This post is offensive and totally uncalled for. The message was, in my opinion, a promotion of Aira. -----Original Message----- From: Reg Sullivan Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 6:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: An Aria Update One of my favorite lines is "you chose to cut off the hand that feeds you" Mark, I am so surprised that as one entrusted in a leadership position of a list that educates it's followers on Iphone related apps that make life easier for those of us who choose to subscribe to them that you would feel threatened by Jonathan's good intentions. Jonathan made his career educating all of us on new ideas and concepts through his pod casts and charged pennies for it. Promoting Aira in this way will lead to broader acceptance of the product among the blindness community and greater value for all of us in the long run. It's time for you to resign your post as moderator of this list and time for those of us wanting open communication without barriers to move over to the BlindPhone list! Thank you to everyone who contributed to my tech development with your posts to this list. Regards....Reg -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rash Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: An Aira Update Jonathan: I've been on this list as long as you have. I appreciate and have learned much from you and other contributors to the list. Computers and iPhones are great. They even come wih delete keys. I'll be joining the blind phones list. -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 6:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: An Aira Update Hi Mark and everyone. Given this new policy, I'll be unsubscribing after around 9 years on the group, but I want to express my disappointment about this change. During Cara's excellent and even-handed leadership of this group, we had many occasions where app developers would engage with us about their apps, especially when those apps were blindness specific. Since this particular app was one that has come up here on multiple occasions, with some mentioning it as one of their top apps of 2018, it seemed appropriate, on-topic, and of value to interested members to let them know about recent developments, especially a free trial. This has been welcomed on other groups. It's a difficult and false distinction to separate the app from the service, when the app is the vehicle for that service. Further, the service itself would in the past have been considered on-topic, because one uses it on an iPhone and it is blindness specific. Anyway, I've learned a great deal over the last 9 years, so thanks to everyone for that. Should you wish to be on a group where app developers and users can freely interact, you're welcome to join my BlindPhones list, which covers both iOS and Android. If an app developer wishes to take time to engage, they are welcomed with open arms. blindphones+subscr...@groups.io<mailto:blindphones+subscr...@groups.io>. And of course as has been already pointed out in this thread, there's an Aira group too. Thanks all. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, audiobooks and training https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mosen.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccf363a93f0564a9e69a508d68469ce1b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636841987289948239&sdata=hblxg0UyrZhn0zylvvtpmWCqKhv35w%2FZDVcre0kOFZ8%3D&reserved=0 -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 2:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: An Aira Update I see your point, Andy. Be that as it may, any new service being offered to our community, is always appreciated. However, and this is to everyone, the iOS app only, is to be discussed on this list. Any questions regarding the service, itself, to be taken off-list, immediately. Thank you all for observing this policy. Moderator Mark -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 3:10 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: An Aira Update I didn't know that ads were allowed on this list. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "James English" <james13engl...@gmail.com<mailto:james13engl...@gmail.com>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 2:35 PM Subject: Re: An Aira Update Hello, I'm curious. What things can the service not be used for?<div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br /> <table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;"> <tr> <td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a href="https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.avast.com%2Fsig-email%3Futm_medium%3Demail%26utm_source%3Dlink%26utm_campaign%3Dsig-email%26utm_content%3Dwebmail&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccf363a93f0564a9e69a508d68469ce1b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636841987289948239&sdata=cvu%2BWtQbTA%2FPVi4dpiBuH8EXMO%2BuXlUH6DYzfn1lSaU%3D&reserved=0"; target="_blank"><img src="https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fipmcdn.avast.com%2Fimages%2Ficons%2Ficon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccf363a93f0564a9e69a508d68469ce1b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636841987289948239&sdata=vjYj0jtTKAJnjQ9tyzPWXaBBDpTXMCN376cb8T%2BIEQ4%3D&reserved=0"; alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;" /></a></td> <td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e; font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a href="https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.avast.com%2Fsig-email%3Futm_medium%3Demail%26utm_source%3Dlink%26utm_campaign%3Dsig-email%26utm_content%3Dwebmail&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccf363a93f0564a9e69a508d68469ce1b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636841987289948239&sdata=cvu%2BWtQbTA%2FPVi4dpiBuH8EXMO%2BuXlUH6DYzfn1lSaU%3D&reserved=0"; target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.avast.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccf363a93f0564a9e69a508d68469ce1b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636841987289948239&sdata=1lb%2BsmUbdTTaB4me6x09pws3WhbFAEs9t4sabowAmZE%3D&reserved=0</a> </td> </tr> </table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1" height="1"></a></div> On 1/26/19, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org<mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: Hi all. Since the middle of October, I've been Aira's VP of Explorer communications. Since Aira has an iOS app, I thought the following info may be of interest to some. For those not familiar with Aira, we provide real-tine audio description of anything visual, provided by security-vetted, trained professionals. You can use it with your iPhone on its own, or if you perform any tasks where it's useful to have both of your hands free, we offer optional smart glasses. The Aira app is free, and it's free to use in an increasing number of locations, or for an increasing number of tasks. We also offer subscription plans, much like cell phone plans, where you can use it for any task, anywhere. If you've been curious about Aira and have wanted to take it for a spin in your own environment, we've released a free 7-Day Trial of our full paid service. This offer means that anyone with a free account can try anytime access to Aira's professional agents whenever it suits them - just like a paying subscriber. The 7-Day Trial provides 30 minutes to try Aira's service over a period of seven days. Some of that time will be used for setting up account preferences and asking questions about the service, but the majority of that time is free to use for any task. It's a great opportunity for people new to Aira to experience why so many use it as a must-have tool for enhancing everyday life. Got some mail that needs sorting? Need a professional agent to connect to your computer to help with an inaccessible site? Or just want to research nearby restaurants or stores? Well, now you can, as a free user and from the comfort of your home. For all the details including a list of frequently asked questions, head on over to https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faira.io%2Ffree-trial&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccf363a93f0564a9e69a508d68469ce1b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636841987289948239&sdata=H4bnSxWPL5c7zlXRMIWmgmuobojbOhRUkE3GBi5fBgw%3D&reserved=0 Second, Aira has recently released a comprehensive series of training modules available for streaming online, or for download in DAISY and MP3. You can find it at: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faira.io%2Ftraining&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccf363a93f0564a9e69a508d68469ce1b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636841987289948239&sdata=D9lSvAINOzW0%2Fx0f7Ey3RL51dmr39jon0R1VsqreVHo%3D&reserved=0. This is a good way to learn about Aira even if you're not signed up yet but are curious. Because this is such a new class of technology, many people not only want to know how to use Aira, but how it might fit into their toolbox of blindness skills and apps. Finally, we've just launched a podcast, called Airacast. It's packed with news, interviews, tips, tricks, listener comments and more. Subscribe to Airacast now from all the places most people get their podcasts, including iTunes/Apple Podcasts, Google Play Music, Stitcher, TuneIn and more. Spotify is coming soon, iHeart Radio in a couple of months and an Alexa skill will be released eventually. Many people enjoy hearing podcasts through HumanWare's Victor Reader Stream, so of course it's listed there too. Should you wish to enter the RSS feed manually into your podcast client right away, it is: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fairacast.libsyn.com%2Frss&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccf363a93f0564a9e69a508d68469ce1b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636841987289948239&sdata=OlTg1z%2BkS87bw1cAb6Fo4eBNYp%2Buhlum3CHy%2BjoqJiU%3D&reserved=0 Search for Airacast in your podcast app of choice, or Here's an Apple podcasts link for you. https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fitunes.apple.com%2Fnz%2Fpodcast%2Fairacast-with-jonathan-mosen%2Fid144988870&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccf363a93f0564a9e69a508d68469ce1b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636841987289948239&sdata=O4YjoMX3Ysn7%2FjEj6uvj%2F%2FU%2FNlnHM8nC5w20we1L%2BWs%3D&reserved=0 1 All the best. Jonathan -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. 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