You're correct, and those posts were advertising as well. I think folks like
jonathan and are willing to give him a pass.
Andy
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From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 11:40 AM
Subject: RE: An Aria Update
And what about all the years when every year Jonathan would post a message
about his new book about iOS? That was clearly advertising and not only was it
tolerated by Mark but it was welcome by the list members with many thank-you
posts for all the work he does. Cara herself used to be affiliated in some way
with the company that made this Recognizer app which was a paid app and she
posted about it. There is nothing wrong with a post which informative but may
or may not advertise an app or a service. Another guy on here, Todd, used to
make a ringtone app and when people asked about how to make ringtones he often
would post basically telling people they could just get his app and easily make
ringtones. Let’s just say there are many examples where apps, products or
services have been mentioned on the Viphone list and some were more promotional
and others maybe more informative. But as many of us said, with something like
Aira it really is impossible to separate the app from the service since the app
is simply the portal to the service. The Sonos app by itself is completely
useless without you owning any of the Sonos speakers, this stuff often just
goes together so at best you could simply say that Aira is not a welcome topic
on the Viphone list because it’s a commercial service, but then you of course
open a can of worms because almost everything is a commercial service from cell
phone plans to music or movie subscriptions and shopping apps.
This is also my final contribution to this topic and it may very well turn
out to be one of the final contributions to this list, let’s see where this
goes in the next day or two. Mark has already posted an article about making a
weather shortcut so I’m sure he has read all the messages and is probably going
to post something soon; at least I hope he does.
Regards,
Sieghard
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: An Aria Update
Well, this one of the very few times I disagree with you.
I definitely am in favor of discussions on apps or services and have joined
in on many of these subjects. However, I feel this post from Jonathan was and
out and out advertisement.
To give a little background, I was once a member of the Blind Phones list and
posted something similar although I was not affiliated with the company in any
way. I was very rudely told that it was off topic by Jonathan and would not be
tolerated on the list. Needless to say, I unsubscribed that very day.
Marie
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 10:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Aria Update
I agree with Richard. Many services and apps have been promoted here if that
is what you want to call it.
Just as an example I could point out that everybody seems to love Kosta and
Ashley, the developers of Flicktype and their work deserves respect. While they
have their own list now, they used to be and maybe still are on this list as
well. I remember them and other developers asking for 5 Star ratings for their
apps, many subscription services and models have been discussed and often
people ask where they can buy a particular product or service. How often have I
and others praised sonos equipment which strictly speaking has nothing to do
with the Sonos app in itself. Mark even has often posted articles here which by
his own admission had only a marginal connection to Apple and sometimes maybe
the connection was to Apple but not even to the iPhone. I remember him not that
long ago posting about how happy he was with his Belkin charging pad which
while an iPhone accessory is not strictly an iPhone accessory since it will
charge Android phones just the same. I really fail to see how you can discuss
the Aira app without the service and while Aira probably already has or is
probably planning to offer their app and service on Android that still doesn’t
make it irrelevant to this list since most apps are also on Android and even
Apple’s own music service is.
I have been on this list for I think 9 years now and just recently thought
how it has changed. Of course just as the iPhone has matured this list has
also. I remember in the beginning that the list often had 100 messages a day
and that just before, during and after events like the Apple Developer’s
Conference in June or the big phone release in September traffic would spike
although it often meant 20 messages from people who posted “downloading the new
iOS update now” and so on. I used to be on Jonathan’s Blindphones list back
around 2007 when I had a Windows mobile smartphone with MobileSpeak and
eventually unsubscribed when I got my first iPhone and joined Viphone, but as
Richard said, maybe it’s time to check out Blindphones now in this more modern
time where iOS and Android are mature and well-established platforms. I
certainly hope Mark will post a message and maybe let all of us know why he
feels the way he does and then let us know if the arguments which were given
are enough to make him reconsider his position.
Regards,
Sieghard
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 7:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: An Aria Update
Marie N,
I find your post offensive. I also disagree with Mark. Aira is a service I
choose not to subscribe to personally, but see nothing wrong with its promotion
on this list since this list is supposed to be about educating visually
impaired iPhone users about things that are helpful using their phone.
No one complains when the subscription service for Apple Music is discussed.
No one complains when TuneIn Pro Premium subscriptions are discussed.
I think Jonathan deserves an apology for being singled out for this exclusion.
If this policy is not changed, I too will be unsubscribing.
Richard
The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have
any." -- Alice Walker
On Jan 27, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Marie N. <scribbl...@comcast.net> wrote:
This post is offensive and totally uncalled for. The message was, in my
opinion, a promotion of Aira.
-----Original Message----- From: Reg Sullivan
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 6:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Aria Update
One of my favorite lines is "you chose to cut off the hand that feeds you"
Mark, I am so surprised that as one entrusted in a leadership position of a
list that educates it's followers on Iphone related apps that make life easier
for those of us who choose to subscribe to them that you would feel threatened
by Jonathan's good intentions. Jonathan made his career educating all of us
on new ideas and concepts through his pod casts and charged pennies for it.
Promoting Aira in this way will lead to broader acceptance of the product
among the blindness community and greater value for all of us in the long run.
It's time for you to resign your post as moderator of this list and time
for those of us wanting open communication without barriers to move over to the
BlindPhone list!
Thank you to everyone who contributed to my tech development with your
posts to this list.
Regards....Reg
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Aira Update
Jonathan:
I've been on this list as long as you have. I appreciate and have learned
much from you and other contributors to the list.
Computers and iPhones are great. They even come wih delete keys.
I'll be joining the blind phones list.
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 6:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Aira Update
Hi Mark and everyone. Given this new policy, I'll be unsubscribing after
around 9 years on the group, but I want to express my disappointment about this
change.
During Cara's excellent and even-handed leadership of this group, we had
many occasions where app developers would engage with us about their apps,
especially when those apps were blindness specific.
Since this particular app was one that has come up here on multiple
occasions, with some mentioning it as one of their top apps of 2018, it seemed
appropriate, on-topic, and of value to interested members to let them know
about recent developments, especially a free trial. This has been welcomed on
other groups.
It's a difficult and false distinction to separate the app from the
service, when the app is the vehicle for that service.
Further, the service itself would in the past have been considered
on-topic, because one uses it on an iPhone and it is blindness specific.
Anyway, I've learned a great deal over the last 9 years, so thanks to
everyone for that.
Should you wish to be on a group where app developers and users can freely
interact, you're welcome to join my BlindPhones list, which covers both iOS and
Android. If an app developer wishes to take time to engage, they are welcomed
with open arms.
blindphones+subscr...@groups.io.
And of course as has been already pointed out in this thread, there's an
Aira group too.
Thanks all.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, audiobooks and training
https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mosen.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccf363a93f0564a9e69a508d68469ce1b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636841987289948239&sdata=hblxg0UyrZhn0zylvvtpmWCqKhv35w%2FZDVcre0kOFZ8%3D&reserved=0
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of M.
Taylor
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 2:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Aira Update
I see your point, Andy. Be that as it may, any new service being offered
to our community, is always appreciated.
However, and this is to everyone, the iOS app only, is to be discussed on
this list. Any questions regarding the service, itself, to be taken off-list,
immediately.
Thank you all for observing this policy.
Moderator Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: An Aira Update
I didn't know that ads were allowed on this list.
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: "James English" <james13engl...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: An Aira Update
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On 1/26/19, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote:
Hi all. Since the middle of October, I've been Aira's VP of Explorer
communications. Since Aira has an iOS app, I thought the following info
may
be of interest to some.
For those not familiar with Aira, we provide real-tine audio description
of
anything visual, provided by security-vetted, trained professionals. You
can
use it with your iPhone on its own, or if you perform any tasks where
it's
useful to have both of your hands free, we offer optional smart glasses.
The Aira app is free, and it's free to use in an increasing number of
locations, or for an increasing number of tasks. We also offer
subscription
plans, much like cell phone plans, where you can use it for any task,
anywhere.
If you've been curious about Aira and have wanted to take it for a spin
in
your own environment, we've released a free 7-Day Trial of our full paid
service. This offer means that anyone with a free account can try
anytime
access to Aira's professional agents whenever it suits them - just like
a
paying subscriber.
The 7-Day Trial provides 30 minutes to try Aira's service over a period
of
seven days. Some of that time will be used for setting up account
preferences and asking questions about the service, but the majority of
that
time is free to use for any task. It's a great opportunity for people
new
to
Aira to experience why so many use it as a must-have tool for enhancing
everyday life.
Got some mail that needs sorting? Need a professional agent to connect
to
your computer to help with an inaccessible site? Or just want to
research
nearby restaurants or stores? Well, now you can, as a free user and from
the
comfort of your home.
For all the details including a list of frequently asked questions, head
on
over to
https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faira.io%2Ffree-trial&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccf363a93f0564a9e69a508d68469ce1b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636841987289948239&sdata=H4bnSxWPL5c7zlXRMIWmgmuobojbOhRUkE3GBi5fBgw%3D&reserved=0
Second, Aira has recently released a comprehensive series of training
modules available for streaming online, or for download in DAISY and
MP3.
You can find it at:
https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faira.io%2Ftraining&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccf363a93f0564a9e69a508d68469ce1b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636841987289948239&sdata=D9lSvAINOzW0%2Fx0f7Ey3RL51dmr39jon0R1VsqreVHo%3D&reserved=0.
This is a good way to learn about Aira even if
you're not signed up yet but are curious. Because this is such a new
class
of technology, many people not only want to know how to use Aira, but
how
it
might fit into their toolbox of blindness skills and apps.
Finally, we've just launched a podcast, called Airacast.
It's packed with news, interviews, tips, tricks, listener comments and
more.
Subscribe to Airacast now from all the places most people get their
podcasts, including iTunes/Apple Podcasts, Google Play Music, Stitcher,
TuneIn and more. Spotify is coming soon, iHeart Radio in a couple of
months
and an Alexa skill will be released eventually.
Many people enjoy hearing podcasts through HumanWare's Victor Reader
Stream,
so of course it's listed there too.
Should you wish to enter the RSS feed manually into your podcast client
right away, it is:
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Search for Airacast in your podcast app of choice, or Here's an Apple
podcasts link for you.
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All the best.
Jonathan
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