Hello,
There is a clear difference I see between Jonathan's advertisement
and, say, if I was to post a message advertising my proxy server
business.
Jonathan's business clearly helps the blind community and is focussed
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On 1/27/19, Andy Baracco <w...@socal.rr.com> wrote:
> i don't think we were objecting to discussion about the product, but
> Jonathan's position as an executive for the company makes it advertising.
> One thing I like about this list is the idea that consumers discuss their
> experiences with products. I would hate to start seeing ads from Humanware,
> Freedom Scientific, etc. about their products. There are other venues
> available for advertising.
>
> Andy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard Turner
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 7:28 AM
> Subject: Re: An Aria Update
>
>
>
>
> Marie N,
> I find your post offensive. I also disagree with Mark. Aira is a service I
> choose not to subscribe to personally, but see nothing wrong with its
> promotion on this list since this list is supposed to be about educating
> visually impaired iPhone users about things that are helpful using their
> phone.
> No one complains when the subscription service for Apple Music is
> discussed. No one complains when TuneIn Pro Premium subscriptions are
> discussed.
> I think Jonathan deserves an apology for being singled out for this
> exclusion.
> If this policy is not changed, I too will be unsubscribing.
> Richard
>
>
>
> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't
> have any." -- Alice Walker
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Marie N. <scribbl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> This post is offensive and totally uncalled for. The message was, in my
> opinion, a promotion of Aira.
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Reg Sullivan
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 6:42 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: An Aria Update
>
> One of my favorite lines is "you chose to cut off the hand that feeds
> you"
> Mark, I am so surprised that as one entrusted in a leadership position
> of a list that educates it's followers on Iphone related apps that make life
> easier for those of us who choose to subscribe to them that you would feel
> threatened by Jonathan's good intentions. Jonathan made his career
> educating all of us on new ideas and concepts through his pod casts and
> charged pennies for it.
> Promoting Aira in this way will lead to broader acceptance of the
> product among the blindness community and greater value for all of us in the
> long run.
>
> It's time for you to resign your post as moderator of this list and time
> for those of us wanting open communication without barriers to move over to
> the BlindPhone list!
>
>
> Thank you to everyone who contributed to my tech development with your
> posts to this list.
>
> Regards....Reg
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Tom Rash
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: An Aira Update
>
> Jonathan:
> I've been on this list as long as you have. I appreciate and have
> learned much from you and other contributors to the list.
> Computers and iPhones are great. They even come wih delete keys.
> I'll be joining the blind phones list.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of
> Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 6:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: An Aira Update
>
> Hi Mark and everyone. Given this new policy, I'll be unsubscribing after
> around 9 years on the group, but I want to express my disappointment about
> this change.
> During Cara's excellent and even-handed leadership of this group, we had
> many occasions where app developers would engage with us about their apps,
> especially when those apps were blindness specific.
> Since this particular app was one that has come up here on multiple
> occasions, with some mentioning it as one of their top apps of 2018, it
> seemed appropriate, on-topic, and of value to interested members to let them
> know about recent developments, especially a free trial. This has been
> welcomed on other groups.
> It's a difficult and false distinction to separate the app from the
> service, when the app is the vehicle for that service.
> Further, the service itself would in the past have been considered
> on-topic, because one uses it on an iPhone and it is blindness specific.
> Anyway, I've learned a great deal over the last 9 years, so thanks to
> everyone for that.
> Should you wish to be on a group where app developers and users can
> freely interact, you're welcome to join my BlindPhones list, which covers
> both iOS and Android. If an app developer wishes to take time to engage,
> they are welcomed with open arms.
> blindphones+subscr...@groups.io.
> And of course as has been already pointed out in this thread, there's an
> Aira group too.
> Thanks all.
>
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, audiobooks and training
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 2:31 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: An Aira Update
>
> I see your point, Andy. Be that as it may, any new service being
> offered to our community, is always appreciated.
>
> However, and this is to everyone, the iOS app only, is to be discussed
> on this list. Any questions regarding the service, itself, to be taken
> off-list, immediately.
>
> Thank you all for observing this policy.
>
> Moderator Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Andy Baracco
> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 3:10 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: An Aira Update
>
> I didn't know that ads were allowed on this list.
>
> Andy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James English" <james13engl...@gmail.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 2:35 PM
> Subject: Re: An Aira Update
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I'm curious. What things can the service not be used for?<div
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> On 1/26/19, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote:
>
> Hi all. Since the middle of October, I've been Aira's VP of
> Explorer
>
> communications. Since Aira has an iOS app, I thought the following
> info
>
> may
>
> be of interest to some.
>
>
>
> For those not familiar with Aira, we provide real-tine audio
> description
>
> of
>
> anything visual, provided by security-vetted, trained professionals.
> You
>
> can
>
> use it with your iPhone on its own, or if you perform any tasks
> where
>
> it's
>
> useful to have both of your hands free, we offer optional smart
> glasses.
>
>
>
> The Aira app is free, and it's free to use in an increasing number
> of
>
> locations, or for an increasing number of tasks. We also offer
>
> subscription
>
> plans, much like cell phone plans, where you can use it for any
> task,
>
> anywhere.
>
>
>
> If you've been curious about Aira and have wanted to take it for a
> spin
>
> in
>
> your own environment, we've released a free 7-Day Trial of our full
> paid
>
> service. This offer means that anyone with a free account can try
> anytime
>
> access to Aira's professional agents whenever it suits them - just
> like a
>
> paying subscriber.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The 7-Day Trial provides 30 minutes to try Aira's service over a
> period
>
> of
>
> seven days. Some of that time will be used for setting up account
>
> preferences and asking questions about the service, but the majority
> of
>
> that
>
> time is free to use for any task. It's a great opportunity for
> people new
>
> to
>
> Aira to experience why so many use it as a must-have tool for
> enhancing
>
> everyday life.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Got some mail that needs sorting? Need a professional agent to
> connect to
>
> your computer to help with an inaccessible site? Or just want to
> research
>
> nearby restaurants or stores? Well, now you can, as a free user and
> from
>
> the
>
> comfort of your home.
>
>
>
> For all the details including a list of frequently asked questions,
> head
>
> on
>
> over to
>
>
>
>
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faira.io%2Ffree-trial&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccf363a93f0564a9e69a508d68469ce1b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636841987289948239&sdata=H4bnSxWPL5c7zlXRMIWmgmuobojbOhRUkE3GBi5fBgw%3D&reserved=0
>
>
>
> Second, Aira has recently released a comprehensive series of
> training
>
> modules available for streaming online, or for download in DAISY and
> MP3.
>
> You can find it at:
>
>
>
>
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faira.io%2Ftraining&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccf363a93f0564a9e69a508d68469ce1b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636841987289948239&sdata=D9lSvAINOzW0%2Fx0f7Ey3RL51dmr39jon0R1VsqreVHo%3D&reserved=0.
> This is a good way to learn about Aira even if
>
> you're not signed up yet but are curious. Because this is such a
> new
>
> class
>
> of technology, many people not only want to know how to use Aira,
> but how
>
> it
>
> might fit into their toolbox of blindness skills and apps.
>
>
>
> Finally, we've just launched a podcast, called Airacast.
>
>
>
> It's packed with news, interviews, tips, tricks, listener comments
> and
>
> more.
>
>
>
> Subscribe to Airacast now from all the places most people get their
>
> podcasts, including iTunes/Apple Podcasts, Google Play Music,
> Stitcher,
>
> TuneIn and more. Spotify is coming soon, iHeart Radio in a couple
> of
>
> months
>
> and an Alexa skill will be released eventually.
>
>
>
> Many people enjoy hearing podcasts through HumanWare's Victor
> Reader
>
> Stream,
>
> so of course it's listed there too.
>
>
>
> Should you wish to enter the RSS feed manually into your podcast
> client
>
> right away, it is:
>
>
>
>
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fairacast.libsyn.com%2Frss&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccf363a93f0564a9e69a508d68469ce1b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636841987289948239&sdata=OlTg1z%2BkS87bw1cAb6Fo4eBNYp%2Buhlum3CHy%2BjoqJiU%3D&reserved=0
>
>
>
> Search for Airacast in your podcast app of choice, or Here's an
> Apple
>
> podcasts link for you.
>
>
>
>
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fitunes.apple.com%2Fnz%2Fpodcast%2Fairacast-with-jonathan-mosen%2Fid144988870&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccf363a93f0564a9e69a508d68469ce1b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636841987289948239&sdata=O4YjoMX3Ysn7%2FjEj6uvj%2F%2FU%2FNlnHM8nC5w20we1L%2BWs%3D&reserved=0
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>
>
>
> All the best.
>
>
>
> Jonathan
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