Exactly, I remember many years ago I think it was in the 6S and/or 6S Plus Apple had two suppliers of some internal chip and phones which had the one manufacturer's chip had I think slightly worse battery life than the other or something like that. Anyways, I don't think this makes any significant difference, but as for how this bug slipped by Apple is easy, it slipped by Apple in the same way as all bugs slip by which is it didn't get fixed before the public release of iOS 13. This was certainly reported by those who privately or publicly tested iOS 13 and with every iOS release such bugs existed sometimes they are worse than other times and why some users seem to experience them more than others could be simply based on how their phone is set up, maybe it has to do with the speech used. I actually switched back to Samantha Enhanced after having used the female US SIRI voice for the last 6 weeks or so because it occurred to me I should maybe see if I have this issue with Samantha. So far I haven't had it, but I also only made and received 3 or 4 or maybe 5 calls since I switched back to Samantha. But I think everybody who posts about this should include what voice they use.
Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 8:28 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com; richr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question Well, it doesn't really matter whether all iPhones are created equal or not. They all carry the Apple logo, and you'll never find anything anywhere from Apple that says only some iPhone 11's are supported and others are not. This may make it more difficult for Apple to track down the root cause, but the burden is still on Apple to ensure their software works on all supported devices. On 10/13/19 10:09 AM, richr...@gmail.com wrote: > In a way, what you seem to be implying is that Apple does not have total > control over its products. If that is true, that is a rather disconcerting > state of things. I've lost sound a number of times, and I can't imagine how > this bug slipped by Apple, and if Apple indeed does not control their > products i.e. two iPhone 11s are not the same, that is truly unfortunate! > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of > M. Taylor > Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 7:51 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question > > Hello Carolyn, et al: > > You know, I've been puzzling over this ever since I updated my 8 Plus to the > latest version of iOS and purchasing an iPhone 11; both having never lost > VoiceOver as the result of any activity. With the rare exception of some > VoiceOver display bleed-through errors, described in previous posts, I never > use any of my Apple devices without VoiceOver and yet, try as I may, I cannot > reproduce the loss-of-VoiceOver glitch with or without earphones, of any > type, attached. > > Did you know that not all iPhones are created equal? There are several > different models referred to by the same device name. Also, in the United > States at least, the type of carrier used can, in fact, have an impact on > device performance. For example, several years ago there was a VoiceOver > display driver bug that only affected certain iPhones sold by certain > manufacturers. Moreover, if memory serves, iPhones older than the 7 series > would have 1 of 2 different modems installed, based on certain factors. My > point, regardless of the name used, not all iPhones are identical, in terms > of hardware. > > Again, at present, this is just a guess as Apple never admits to hardly > anything until it has been resolved but I suspect that those having this > problem, or the reverse, those like me, who are not having this problem, can > attribute it to the device type that is being used. > > For example, and again, this is just a guess so don't take issue, I make it a > practice to pay full price for SIM-free models of any Apple device, only. > The SIM-free model is one that is generally sold outside of the US but can, > upon request, be purchased inside the US, as well. > > I was told, by an Apple employee, that all iPhone 11 series phones are now > SIM-free unless the purchaser elects not to pay full price for the phone, up > front. I do not know how true this is as I am certain that when one > purchases a device directly from a carrier, the device is most certainly not > SIM-free. > > While I am certain that Apple will resolve this loss-of-VoiceOver issue, the > fact that it even exists suggests to me that they did not or could not > anticipate this problem on their in-house models, said models most likely > being the purist of the pure where software and hardware installs are > concerned. > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold > Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 6:08 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question > > Yesterday, I lost speech, even Bluetooth did not get it for me - phone would > not ring, only vibrate. We did reboot, turned off then back on. Finally, I > called Apple Accessibility. We worked and worked again, finally turned off, > back on, got it. She asked if she could screen share, did, checked About for > my model information, said she would submit my second complaint with regard > to VoiceOver. I told her I was out of the house, had the problem for hours, > couldn't even get Siri. I wish I knew a work around, just to keep it from > happening again. > > I do like Call Silencer, but would give it up to stabilize VoiceOver. > > Best regards, > > Carolyn > > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of dani pagador > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 9:54 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question > > For as much as I complained about VO dropping out after phone/FaceTime calls, > I'm really glad I did the upgrade to the IOS13. I got a call that went to > voicemail this morning that was a SSA scam that said my number would be > suspended due to fraudulent activity, that I would be arrested, and to kindly > press 1 (I'm not kidding) for more information. I was able to use the > voicemail recording and the info VO provided to give an accurate account of > the call to the FTC when I filed my complaint with them after the call came > in. > > Yay, Apple. > > Do the upgrade. Just have a pair of wired earbuds handy to get VO back if it > kicks out after a call. I hung up just a few minutes ago from a call (without > being plugged in), and lost speech but still had sound--I could hear the > clicks as I swiped right and left. I grabbed my wired earbuds, plugged in, > and VO was back. > > HTH, > Dani > > > > > > On 10/10/19, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >> Hello Angie and Everyone, >> >> You know, I must say that while I was planning on waiting for a later >> version of iOS 13.x to be released, before updating my 8 Plus, I am >> definitely glad that I went ahead and took the proverbial plunge. >> This is to say that I have gained much more than I lost. >> >> Now keep in mind that I have yet to experience any loss of VoiceOver >> under any circumstances. Also, while I do read some email messages >> via iPhone, I read most of my emails on either my Windows PC or my >> Mac so cannot speak to any problems with the native iOS Mail app. >> >> I absolutely love the new system-wide hap tic VoiceOver feedback >> feature. I think the latest versions of Maps is incredible, >> especially the new E.T.A feature. However, what I like most about >> iOS 13.x and by the same token, iPad OS 13 is the fact that now, as >> it was many, many moons ago, all of my ripped DVD videos play >> perfectly on all of my Apple devices. This was certainly not the >> case in iOS 12 and earlier. I am glad that Apple relinquished its >> death grip on the types of videos it would and would not allow to be >> played on Apple devices, in the hope of getting customers to purchase / rent >> videos from the iTunes Store. >> >> Oh, one more thing, while I am a heavy user of Braille using the >> original Focus 40 Blue, as yet, I have not attempted to read any >> lengthy pieces on my Braille display so cannot speak to any issues regarding >> Braille displays. >> >> I can tell you, however, that while I adore the new dark mode on my >> iPad Pro, I have elected not to engage this new feature on my 8 Plus. Why? >> Well, the display seems to be too dark for my taste on the smaller >> display and I find it easier to toggle Invert Display on and off, as >> needed with the Home button. >> >> On the iPhone 11, however, given that there is no longer a Home >> button, I do engage Dark mode, using the side button to Toggle >> VoiceOver on and off, as needed. As yet, I have not experienced a >> loss of VoiceOver before, during, or after calls, of any kind. >> >> I am of the opinion that iOS 12 with Watch OS 5 work much better, >> together, than iOS 13 with Watch OS 6, especially where Bluetooth >> audio switching is concerned; at least, this has been my experience so far. >> >> Still, all of my "must-have" apps work as expected and I have yet to >> encounter any show-stoppers in iOS 13.x, so far. >> >> So, if you have not yet updated to iOS 13.x yet, wait a little longer >> before doing so but if you're ready to jump in and begin sending >> Apple, along with third-party developers, bug reports as you >> encounter them, go ahead and make the leap as we can use all of the >> proverbial voices we can get in order to get the attention of all of >> the developers to resolve various iOS 13.x issues. >> >> Mark >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >> Behalf Of Angie Nutt >> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 3:36 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question >> >> The only thing stopping me from upgrading is the losing sound when >> ending a call thing; would hate that to happen when out alone. >> Otherwise I’m looking forward to getting my hands on iOS 13 >> >> All the best >> Angie >> >> >>> On 9 Oct 2019, at 18:58, Louise Johnson <herclou...@shaw.ca> wrote: >>> >>> Hi I also am waiting to update. Yes there are ones of you who are >>> doing it and sharing the bugs with Apple and I thank you for that. I >>> just not a person who wants any problems only a few years in and >>> just want tech to work all the time. Louise and princess Kiara >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 8:00 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question >>> >>> My Iphone 8 is running 12.41 and I'm not upgrading until some of >>> these major bugs are getting fixed. I only had one reminder about >>> the update yesterday. I also found remind me later and just for >>> referrence, don't enter in your passcode if you're prompted for it. >>> My iPhone 8 is working just fine, and I see no need to update at >>> this time. I'm so glad I got on this list so I can be warned about >>> things like major bugs and so on. Granted, I don't really use my >>> phone to check email, but I really don't like the thought of >>> voiceover shutting down after a phone call. Until that is fixed for >>> sure, I'm not upgrading. I'd recommend not to update just yet. A >>> lot of my friends are also waiting to update as well. >>> >>> On 10/9/19, Susie Stageberg <sstagebe...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Good morning all. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> My iPhone 7S came up and offered me the upgrade last night. I >>>> tapped on "later" and then "disagree", I hopes this would make it >>>> leave me alone for a while. From reading all the posts on this list >>>> (and >>>> elsewhere) about people having a hard time with this upgrade, it >>>> occurred to me that it might be a good idea to hold off until they >>>> get some of this stuff fixed. I am running along very nicely with >>>> 12.2 and I'm one of those who does not need the latest and greatest >>>> just because it's the latest and greatest. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Is this an ostrich move? Am I deluded in thinking that by delaying >>>> I will get a better product when I do upgrade? And how long do I >>>> play the ostrich? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Susie >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." -Eleanor >>>> Roosevelt >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the V >>>> iPhone list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on >>>> the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>>> mk...@ucla.edu. 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