So you're condoning child labor? I can only assume that you're joking or trolling.
-- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Gmail > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf > Of Simon A Fogarty > Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 4:12 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Phones manufactured. > > You also have to remember that small children have finer fingers so using them > to put together mobile phones is a win as they can get their fingers right in > to > those tight spaces to put in the screws > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf > Of Carolyn > Sent: Wednesday, 6 May 2020 10:12 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Phones manufactured. > > I agree with you, Laury. > > Furthermore, I trust that it is a given that none of us wants to exploit > people less > fortunate than we are. > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Laury, Shawnese (LEO) > Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 5:45 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Phones manufactured. > > I did not say that we have no control over the working conditions. I said we > have > no control over where products are made. Meaning the country where the > manufacture makes the product. I'm not for as I stated before deplorable and > unfair working conditions. I don't that was the intent of anyone who > commented on this topic when they indicated how much they love their phones > and how much having them has contributed to their quality of life. I know that > was not the intent of my comment. > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf > Of Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 4:12 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Phones manufactured. > > CAUTION: This is an External email. Please send suspicious emails to > ab...@michigan.gov > > > > You are absolutely correct, it's fine for a phone to be made in China or > India or > wherever, but you are not correct in saying that we have no control over what > working conditions are in place there. Investigative reports have exposed such > horrible places often enough or you hear about some tragedy like that fire in > a > clothing factory in Bangladesh some years ago after which some pretty horrific > details came to light about the conditions there and the companies who had > clothing made there. We can demand from our companies to set certain > standards and, if they don't do so, buy products from a company which does. > We live in a global economy and that will not change despite America's current > phase of protectionism, it happened before after all, but it's up to every > person > to set standards for themselves and to expect others with whom we deal > whether on a personal level or for the products we buy to also have standards. > It's not OK to say "Give me a $299 iPhone and I really don't care how you do > it > and whether half the components are made by kids who are paid a few cents a > day". Fortunately Apple does have standards and if companies do then it may > indeed be a blessing if they go to China, India, Vietnam, the Philippines or > wherever to make their products, they can still do so cheaper than with > lavbour > costs here and yet the workers there make a decent living. It's no different > with > call centers, people often complain about agents who have accents because > they are in India or the Philippines, but I doubt those same people would > want to > pay 50% more for whatever service because the call centers are in the US where > the wages are much higher let alone finding enough people for the work. > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf > Of Laury, Shawnese (LEO) > Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 12:42 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Phones manufactured. > > I cannot speak for others but my comment was in no way to be taken to mean > that I think It's ok for anyone to work in deplorable conditions. > > Most of what we use is made in other countries and we have no control over > that. In my opinion it is crazy to get rid of my iPhone because it may have > been > manufactured in China and buy an android phone that too could have been > manufactured in another country. Not all items made in other countries means > that the workers are or have been mistreated. > > I don't think anyone should work in conditions where they are untreated or not > being paid for the work that they do. > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf > Of alia robinson > Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 3:08 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Phones manufactured. > > CAUTION: This is an External email. Please send suspicious emails to > ab...@michigan.gov > > > > I cannot for the life of me imagine saying I don’t care where my device is > made > as long as it makes my life easier. I just..I can’t imagine such blatant > disregard > for another human being’s plight. makes me sick. > > On May 5, 2020, at 2:58 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: > > Yes, it absolutely matters where products are made and it matters even more > what sort of oversight and accountability is in place. You mentioned clothing > and here it maybe matters even more than with higher-end technology devices > where a certain amount of skilled labour is required, but even here certain > items > like headsets, speakers and other mass-produced items we here in the west are > buying and discarding whenever we don't like them any more or see something > we like better affect the quality of life of the people in the countries > where they > are made. We all want cheap, cheap and, even better, cheaper, big corporations > like Walmart, Target and others are happy to supply all this cheap stuff and > they > are looking where they can make it cheapest; I mean, who cares if the cool > shirt > was made by an 8-year old who toils in a sweat shop for 12 hours a day and > gets > paid 25 cents a day for the effort. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel > that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators > directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. 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