Hello all, part of what these messages may be speaking to and I could be wrong is that I think maybe they’re expecting people to be using Bluetooth keyboards and or braille keyboards. And I think that’s a lot to assume. The beauty of the device is to be able to not have to have other things hooked up to it and for it to be portable. That’s what it means for me at any rate. So when the swiping ability deteriorates it’s quite a loss. Deidre
Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 25, 2020, at 1:50 PM, doug parisian <eggm...@shaw.ca> wrote: > > > Cristóbal, Misery loves company; thanks for yours, I've experienced the same > grievous issues. And yes, I will voice my concerns to apple plagiarizing a > little from what you offered here. > > I also experience issues with cursor skipping around along with occasional > "machine gun" clicking almost like the Voice over cursor is having a heavy > duty battle with whatever methods are used to highlight the screen for > sightlings. > > In the app store, the swiping will skip past the next item and a backward > swipe, then forward again hits the desired spot; it's a damn lot of scraping > and grinding such as I described also in settings. > > I can't get to the "clear forms" item neither from swiping back to that > control or forward to it. > > I'll bet that a blind person using chop sticks to gather up peas on a plate > is less challenging than some of the behaviours of IO 14.01. I've never > experienced such a mess since I started with Iphone in 2012. > > On 2020-09-25 11:59 a.m., Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: >> I have this exact same problem on my XR. Still present in iOS 14.0.1. >> Also, if I want to backspace and delete a bunch of characters, what I’ll do >> is double tap and keep one finger on the delete button and split tap with >> another finger as many times as I need with VO announcing each character >> that’s being deleted. I’ve found this at least for me a quick way to batch >> delete characters or a word or two than selecting the text and then deleting >> or double tapping the hell out of the delete key etc. >> Anyway, now when I try doing that in iOS 14, every time I split tap, the >> cursor is placed at the beginning of the edit field and text. This has >> pretty much broken the ability to backspace multiple times via this method. >> Another issue that I don’t think others have mentioned is that now, VO can’t >> maintain focus on the dictate button. Whenever I try to gain focus on the >> microphone to dictate something anywhere in the OS, VO flickers and studders >> and the haptic feedback I get on the iPhone is like it’s doing the >> jitterbug. I now have to use the two finger double tap on an edit field to >> initiate dictation. So now, dictating has mostly become a two handed action >> instead of one simple one handed action. Super annoying. >> I too sent Apple accessibility a screen recording as well as a diagnostics >> log at their request. >> They said that they’re aware of it, but come on. >> Regarding the VO focus thing. Yes, it’s all over the place. I can’t use the >> 1Password option to autofill log in credentials if say I have to select from >> a list of options as VO gets stuck on either the cancel button or the edit >> field. The built-in dictionary feature is also broken as VO can’t get past >> the done button when you look up a word. And on and on. >> >> Cristóbal >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of >> Sieghard Weitzel >> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 8:00 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: How I solved most of my voiceover iOS 14 problem how I solved >> most of my voiceover iOS 3 team problems >> >> For me the Reset did certainly not resolve the focus issues on the Today >> screen or how when you swipe left from the top of the Inbox or message list >> you get stuck on the search box etc. I initially did the reset because I >> have another issue on my iPhone 8 where when I tap on any edit field and >> Voiceover says "text field is editing,, characters, insertion mode at start" >> this text is repeated with every letter I press. >> Here is an example, let's say I open a message in the Messages app and I >> want to reply to a text. I double tap on the edit field and Voiceover says: >> Message, text field is editing, iMessage, characters, insertion mode at start >> So I'm now in editing mode, Voiceover tells me it's an iMessage and I know >> my rotor is set to characters and I'm at the start of the field which of >> course is empty at first. >> Let's say I want to start with "Hello", so now I type an "H", here is what I >> hear: >> Message, text field is editing, H, characters, insertion mode at end. >> Then I type the next letter, the "e" in Hello and I hear >> Message, text field is editing, He, characters, insertion mode at end. >> Now I type the first L and Voiceover says: >> Message, text field is editing, Hel, characters, insertion mode at end. >> After I type the last letter, the "o" it will say it all over again now >> speaking the entire word Hello in the middle and as soon as I press the >> space it will repeat it again all over and then I start with the next word >> and so on. Even if I accidently type a wrong letter, it will repeat it all >> when I press the delete key, for example, if I had typed an "r" instead of >> the "e" in Hello it would say: >> Message, text field is editing, Hr, characters, insertion mode at end. >> If I then press delete to get rid of the r it would repeat but again only >> saying H and as you can see this is very annoying. I had initially asked >> Richard if he had noticed anything like that, but since I did also not read >> anything on Applevis about it and apparently nobody elese has the problem, >> it seems to be unique to me. I already sent this to Apple including the >> screen recording I did and they unfortunately also have no idea. >> I use the American femal SIRI voice, but I switched to Samantha to see if it >> made a difference and it does not. It seemed at first that it was gone after >> the Reset all settings, but either I tried it in a place where it didn't >> happen or it came back, because now I am getting this in virtually all edit >> fields. >> Interestingly enough this does not happen if I turn on my Bluetooth keyboard >> and type, if I did this in the same Message field where I previously >> experienced this while typing, it would not happen with a Bluetooth keyboard. >> It's a very bizar and I fear very difficult item to figure out for Apple. I >> even removed my glass screen protector because I thought maybe it wasn't on >> good any more and there was someweird touch feedback happening. >> >> Best regards, >> Sieghard >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of >> Gerardo Corripio >> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 7:49 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: How I solved most of my voiceover iOS 14 problem how I solved >> most of my voiceover iOS 3 team problems >> >> speaking of voiceover bugs and resetting to default settings, I’ve a >> spanish-speaking blind friend who is a Beta Tester, and way back since Beta2 >> when he had VoiceOver issues (specially focus ones), he did a Restore like >> the one you guys are talking about, and bye bye issues! >> >> Gera >> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel >> >> >> El 24 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:46 a.m., Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> escribió: >> >> >> Hi Sieghard, >> >> I'm not going to argue that resetting one's settings after a full reset >> can't be done but the amount of time involved will be a function of one's >> memory or documentation of custom settings which I suspect few have. I >> believe I had reset most of mine accept for the background wallpaper color >> which was reset to what appeared to be an orange color. I could not figure >> out how to get the sea green color I previously had back. The bigger issue >> is identifying the benefit of resetting all your settings. I know James said >> it resolved most of his issues but it certainly didn't resolve the one I >> reported to Apple Accessibility. And I can't say I was noticing any >> difference in responsiveness of my SE 2020 after the reset so the cost of >> the reset in my case was a lot greater than any benefit received. >> >> Alan >> >> Sent from my iPhone with Outlook for iOS >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> on behalf of >> Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> >> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:12:07 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> >> Subject: RE: How I solved most of my voiceover iOS 14 problem how I solved >> most of my voiceover iOS 3 team problems >> >> Hi Alan, >> >> I don't think people should be that terribly afraid of resetting all >> settings, but of course you have to assume that this does exactly what it >> says, it will reset "all settings" to factory default. >> If you actually take a moment to read what it says before youc onfirm, you >> would see this: >> >> This will reset all settings. >> No data or media will be deleted. >> After you confirm you are furthermore told that it will erase any payment >> cards on file and since passcodes and any Touch Id or Face Id entries are >> also settings they will also be deleted and after the phone reboots there >> will be no passcode, you will have to again set one up and redo your Touch >> or Face Id authentication. >> >> I actually did this also on Sunday and it took me maybe half an hour or 45 >> minutes to first of all reconnect to WiFi and rename my phone, then to set >> up a passcode and Touch Id, then to add my two credit cards and to a large >> extend the time was spend going through a bunch of settings like Background >> App Refresh, Keyboards, Privacy/location services etc. and putting them back >> to what I had/wanted. Of course that also included switching my main voice >> back to American female SIRI, adding a German voice and so on. >> Apart from that it was not such a big deal and I previously chose to erase >> all settings and content and to start from scratch without restoring from a >> backup and that was truly a lot of work since I basically redownloaded all >> my apps again and set up everything from scratch. >> Resetting all settings also reset my ringtone and other sounds to factory >> default, but since I didn't erase all data and content my custom ringtones >> and alert tones were all still there and it took me maybe 5 minutes to set >> my custom tones up again, go into the individual Mail accounts I have to set >> up the tones I want for them etc. >> >> Best regards, >> Sieghard >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Alan >> Lemly >> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 8:40 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: How I solved most of my voiceover iOS 14 problem how I solved >> most of my voiceover iOS 3 team problems >> >> James, >> >> I'm glad resetting all your settings corrected most of your iOS 14 issues. >> I'll caution others from doing that because when Apple Accessibility had me >> reset my settings in connection with an issue I was reporting, not only did >> doing so not affect the issue but all of my custom settings were reset to >> factory defaults. This was such an inconvenience that I attempted to get my >> settings back by restoring an iTunes encrypted backup which failed and hung >> requiring me to restore my iPhone SE 2020 to brand new factory defaults. >> Fortunately, after doing this, I was able to restore my iTunes encrypted >> backup but I spent about 12 hours on Saturday messing with the phone. >> >> Alan Lemly >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of James Lockwood >> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 6:46 PM >> To: IPhone Google Group >> Subject: How I solved most of my voiceover iOS 14 problem how I solved most >> of my voiceover iOS 3 team problems >> >> Earlier today I posted a big list of stuff that was going wrong with >> voiceover. This is on iOS 14 and an iPhone 11 promax. Tonight I reset all >> settings but did not erase all data. The problems went away. I don�t know >> what it was� What setting I had screwed up. 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