I hear you Sieghard! I tend to avoid such inflammatory words and phrases myself because I want people to read the content of my message and not get caught up in any colorful choice of words. I also realize that some people make a very informed decision on what device to use, and I don’t want to cast any dispersion on anyone just because they have different priorities and make a choice I wouldn’t have made. I’m not perfect, but I try to treat everyone and the decisions they’ve made with respect. I also try to talk in examples rather than making blanket statements.
-- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Outlook From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 11:43 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType Why do people have to be so intense and use terms like "choke hold" It's very simple, if you don't like the way Apple does things use an Android phone, but what's the point in these words or terms which are utterly subjective. I have used an iPhone since 2009 and not once have I felt "choked", if you have then I'm glad you now have an Android phone which gives you all the freedom to do exactly what you want although I am sure that even the grat platform of the Android OS has at least one or two drawbacks or maybe it is entirely perfect by now. Whatever works for the user is what you should use. From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Donna Casteen Sent: August 23, 2021 6:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType Devin, I too have escaped the choke hold of Apple. My iPhone is used to play games that android does not have. I also get to continue using an accessible keyboard like Flick Type.😌 And before I'm told I'm no longer welcome in the group, I still update my phone & participate in the public beta program. & use my iPad for my creative writing course. Donna Donna So, I can no longer participate in discussion just because I, who have been using Apple devices for years, no longer use mine regularly and promote the fact that Android is a viable alternative when huge issues of Apple's control pops up? I'm glad you're not a moderator. Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com<mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 12:21 PM Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote: I wrote him as well. I primarily use MBraille when I don't have a keybaord available. I do not mean to minimize the impact on dedicated FlickType users; and I wonder if somehow this issue between FlickType and the App Store/Apple was brought to mainstream media's attention if something more would be accomplished. I was partly reacting to someone who has already jumped ship to Android whom I hope stops contributing to Apple discussions if he is no longer going to use Apple products. Personally, I can braille faster than I could use FlickType, but I fully understand the impact it would make on me if MBraille had to go away because of some unknown issue with Apple, and I would have the same reaction you and others are having to FlickType's removal. But, I have bluetooth keyboards and braille displays to use if MBraille faced the same fate; so I still say, it is not the end of the world; but a damnable inconvenience, which probably should not have to happen. Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- Jane Wagner website: www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C8959c37cfbe74658674c08d9671e409a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637654201905367640%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=sVVfzK64Ne%2BYvqOn1mVh67xIvJQysXSDjX9n358RBqU%3D&reserved=0> On Aug 23, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com<mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote: Richard, While I agree that the loss of FlickType is not the end of the world, it’s going to dramatically impact how I use my iPhone. I much prefer typing my own content as opposed to dictating it and FlickType has made it very easy to compose text messages and emails with my iPhone’s screen fairly quickly without the need for another keyboard. Just out of curiosity, how much do you use FlickType for input on your iDevice? I will certainly adapt to the loss of FlickType but my speed and accuracy of input is going to take a big hit. I did write an email to Phil Schiller expressing my concerns but realistically, I’m not holding my breath that it will make any difference. I do believe that users are responsible for providing feedback when an app’s accessibility is broken or an accessible app is totally withdrawn as in this case due to some dispute with the App Store. I’ll continually encourage those in our community to provide this feedback because sometimes, the squeaky wheel does get the grease. Alan Lemly From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 10:06 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType I Very much doubt the millions of customers it would take to switch to the “somewhat dark side, grin” will do so, which is what it would take to impact Apple’s wallet. A few people switching to Android certainly won’t. I also doubt Flicktype will see the light of day again, which is too bad, but not the end of the world. Richard Software means never having to say you're finished Web site: www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C8959c37cfbe74658674c08d9671e409a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637654201905377597%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=3G77mi6IH4br3dY%2FKR7%2Fvk3av0h8aE8UuKuKboG7ax8%3D&reserved=0> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 7:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType I voted with my wallet and went with Android. Sure, it's got its rough edges, but at least I control what is on my phone, what can go on my phone, what app stores are on my phone, and can even play the video games I'm good at, on my phone. Its not perfect as I said, but I have control, and Apple, or Google for that matter, cannot take it away. I think the only way Apple will change so drastically is if they notice a decrease in money. Their App Store is very dear to them as a money-making ability, so I doubt a few people complaining about a specialized app will move them. After all, thousands of people complaining about CSAM hasn't, and thousands complaining about fortnight hasn't either. If it does, though, that's great. But if not, prepare to vote with your money. 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