I have ran keypads before, and have never found a problem with it. > On May 31, 2022, at 14:31, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Richard, > > As Chris said in his message, I don’t believe KeePass supports 2-factor > authentication. I’ve never had an issue with it being compromised and even > though I would not use it on Dropbox for a long time, I finally decided it > was safe after using my iPhone more and more and needing a way to sync > between my computer and my iPhone where my passwords were concerned. > > I wrote a tutorial on KeePass a couple of years ago and I think you might > still find some useful information in it. I’m still running the same version > of KeePass discussed in the tutorial on my Windows 10 computer. I’ll paste > the tutorial following my signature. Let me know if you have any other > questions. > > Alan > > I'm writing a tutorial on how to use the basic features of the KeePass > program to manage your passwords with your computer. I'm running Windows 7 > with Fusion 2019 and using KeePass version 2.44, the most recent downloadable > version, for purposes of this discussion. I will include navigable headings > where appropriate and since I'm sending this post in html format, these > headings should be maintained. This document was completed on February 15, > 2020. > Introduction > KeePass is an open source program available for free for maintaining a user's > passwords. This discussion will be about running KeePass on a Windows > computer but my understanding is that it will also run on Linux and Mac OS X. > Note the spelling of the program which appears to be a combination of the > words keep and an abbreviation of password and don't make the mistake I did > thinking it's spelled like a key to unlock something. KeePass is basically a > small database management system where the underlying records are your > passwords. A database is really just a table or spreadsheet of information > where each row represents a record and each column represents a field of data > for that record. For password records, the main fields in KeePass are Title, > User Name, and Password where Title is the item with the password such as NLS > BARD account. Be aware that KeePass has two main versions and various build > iterations of each, version 1.x and version 2.x. I recommend you use version > 2.x as I believe it contains more accessibility and this discussion will be > about it. > KeePass Website > The main KeePass website can be found here: > > https://keepass.info/ <https://keepass.info/> > > The site contains a lot of helpful information and I'd recommend you explore > it to gather what you need. I'd suggest you start by pressing Insert + F7 to > generate a list of links and arrow through them to find your interests most > quickly. You can go to the Downloads link from this list or use the following > link to download the KeePass program: > > https://keepass.info/download.html <https://keepass.info/download.html> > > KeePass has both fully installable and portable versions. As you arrow > through the available downloads, you can pick whether you want the installer > which will be an exe file or the Portable version which will be a zip file. > As you know, Portable versions don't add anything to your registry and can be > copied to a flash drive for portability after being unzipped. > Running KeePass the first time > I installed the fully installable version of KeePass a few years back when I > started using it and I have no intention of uninstalling it for purposes of > this overview. Be aware of that so if you experience something different from > my explanation, the reason might relate to this. I will attempt to mirror a > new installation by creating a new KeePass database file that will hopefully > yield similar results to those who are installing it for the first time. > > When I pressed Ctrl + n to create an new KeePass database file, I was > prompted to save it with the name Database.kdbx in the same folder of my > existing KeePass database. First time users of the program will probably get > different results but I'd recommend that if you're a Dropbox user, that you > save your KeePass database kdbx file in your Dropbox folder. This will make > syncing it with a mobile device discussed later much easier. You should make > note of this file name in order to make it easier to find in the future. > After providing the database filename and location, you are in a dialog box > to create your composite master key which is your master password to access > your KeePass database. Choose a password that isn't easily cracked but that > you can easily remember. This will be the only password you have to remember > going forward because all the others will be housed in KeePass to recall as > needed. Type in your master password and tab once where you'll land on a > checkbox that is checked to hide the password value using asterisks. Tab > again to reenter your master password. Tab once which takes you to a Show > expert options checkbox which you should leave unchecked. Tab again which > takes you to a Help button which you can tab past to the ok button which you > should execute. You will be taken to a create new password database dialog > box which is multi tabbed with tabs for General, Security, Compression, > Recycle Bin, and Advanced. Each of these tabs contain settings for the > password database but accept for the General tab discussed below, the > defaults are fine and can be ignored. You will be located on the General tab > when you first enter this dialog in the database name text box. I would > recommend leaving this text box blank and referring to your KeePass database > by its filename previously assigned. Tab again and you'll be taken to a > database description text box that you can also leave blank. In my opinion, > these last two items are for those who have more than one KeePass database > file which I strongly discourage for purposes of this discussion. Tab again > and you'll move to the default user name for new entries text box. This will > be the assigned user name whenever you create a new entry in your KeePass > database and I'd suggest typing your email address here. My experience has > been that an email address is most commonly the user name for an account and > this saves a step when creating a new password entry. Tab again and you'll > move to the custom database color checkbox which you can leave unchecked. > Tab until you hear ok and press enter. You are then prompted if you'd like to > print a KeePass emergency sheet which will contain all the information needed > to open your database. If desired, this should be printed and saved in a safe > place or you can skip this step. > Adding entries to your new database > Adding a group > KeePass uses groups to categorize entries into its passwords database. Think > of groups like folders in Outlook or like subfolders on a Windows computer > for purposes of providing an organization structure to your files. Use of > KeePass groups will make it much easier to access your passwords when you > have hundreds of entries as I do. Also, the program developer has said > putting all entries in one group will cause the program to work less > efficiently when entries become numerous. The default groups KeePass contains > when first launched are General, Windows, Network, Internet, Email, and > Homebanking. These are shown on the left side of the KeePass screen indented > below the database name to which they belong. In this discussion, remember > that I named my KeePass kdbx file Database so the default groups just listed > are shown below Database in my program. You can arrow up and down through > these groups to pick the appropriate one to house your new password entry. If > you do not want to use any of the default groups, arrow up to your database > name, press shift + F10 to open a context menu, arrow down to Add group, and > press enter. You will be placed in an add group dialog where you can type the > group name desired, tab to pick an icon which you can ignore, tab to an > expires checkbox which I recommend you leave unchecked, and tab until you > hear ok and press enter. I suggest you leave the expires checkbox and date > unchecked because I don't think you want your password groups to expire. > Focus will be on the group you just created. You can have subgroups below > groups so make sure focus is on the database name when creating a new group > so you won't end up with numerous group levels unless that is what you > prefer. My preference is to have only one level of groups so I'm clear where > I am when arrowing up and down a sorted list. Be aware that groups are not > automatically sorted. For this discussion, I added a new group named Finance > which was placed as the last group in the group even though it's not the last > alphabetically. To change the order of your groups, tab or shift + tab until > you hear tree view and arrow up until focus is on your database name, > Database in this example. Press shift + F10 to open the context menu, arrow > down to Rearrange submenu and right arrow to open the submenu and down arrow > to Sort direct subgroups and press enter. All the subgroups in your database > will now be sorted alphabetically. > Adding a new password > You can add an new password entry to your KeePass database by pressing ctrl + > i. Remember, whichever group has focus when you press this hotkey will > contain the new entry. You can arrow up and down your groups to ensure the > desired one has focus. This is important because KeePass does not provide a > group entry field when adding a new record since it's automatically assigned > based on the group with focus. For this example, I'm creating a new password > in my Finance group. When pressing ctrl + I, a multi-tabbed dialog opens with > the Entry tab containing focus and the Title text box containing the cursor. > Type the title best suited for you to find this entry later. For this > example, I'm using Bank online account. Tab once and you're prompted to pick > an icon which you can ignore, tab again and you'll be in the user name text > box which should already be populated with your email address. Use that email > address if appropriate or type in a new user name and tab. A default password > will be shown as asterisks and highlighted. You should type in the password > you desire for this entry. Tab once where you'll land on a hide field using > asterisks checkbox which is checked and which you can tab past. You will > then be on the repeat password text box where the original default asterisked > password is highlighted and must be retyped with your new password which > matches the one previously entered. Tab once and you'll be on a generate a > password button which you can use if you don't wish to use your own password. > If you execute this generate a password button which I don't recommend, a > context menu of choices will open that you can arrow through to select the > desired option. Since I don't recommend using this, I'm not covering those > options. Tab again and you'll be in a URL text box where you can enter the > web URL associated with this account if desired. Tab again and you'll be in a > Notes text box where you can store any notes related to this entry. Tab again > and you'll be on an Expires checkbox which I don't recommend using. If you do > check it, tab again and enter the desired date of expiration. Tab again and > you'll be on a button to select one of the standard expire times. Tab again > to ok and press enter to complete the entry. You will be on a two vertical > pane screen not unlike a Windows Explorer screen where folders are listed on > the left side and the files they contain are listed on the right side. In > this case, your KeePass groups are listed on the left and the entries in the > group with focus is listed on the right. The entry you just created contains > focus. If you shift tab, Fusion announces tree view and moves focus to the > password's host group, Finance in this example, and the group name will be > spoken. Tab back and list view will be spoken and the name of the entry with > focus with some of its details will be spoken. Pressing enter while n the > passwords list view will open an edit box for the entry with focus. The Entry > tab previously discussed will contain focus. While the Entry tab contains > most of what you need to manage password entries, i.e., titles, user names, > and passwords, I'm going to discuss one other tab in this multi-tabbed entry > edit dialog. Press ctrl + tab to move to the Advanced tab. When you tab once, > you'll be placed in a string fields list. String fields are great for > creating your own custom fields. For example, in my Bank online account > entry, I want to track the account's fed routing number and the account > number so I will set up two custom string fields to do so. Tab once out of > string fields list box and you'll be on an add button where you press enter. > You will land in a name text box where edit is spoken. Type the name for this > custom field and for my example, I'll type FedRoute. If you've previously set > up string fields for this database, a list of previous field names will be > presented when you start typing characters. This doesn't apply here so I'll > tab once after entering the name and be placed in the value text box. A fed > routing code is a 9-digit number so I'll type in 123456789 for purposes of > this example. Tab once where you'll land on an enable in memory protection > checkbox which you can ignore. Tab again to the ok button and press enter. > Focus should again be on the Add button which I will execute in order to add > another custom string field. I'm back in the Name text box for this custom > string field where I'll type AcctNum. I'll tab once to the value text box and > type 456789. I'll tab to the ok button and press enter to complete the > addition of this second custom string field and its value. I'll then tab to > the ok button and press enter to complete the entry of this custom string > field. Focus moves to a File attachments list view which is blank because I > have none. Tab once to move to an Attach button if you'd like to attach a > file to this entry. Tab again to the Ok button and press enter to complete > the edit of this password entry. Focus returns to the list view with the last > edited entry containing focus. > Exiting the database > More than one way exists to exit your KeePass database. I like to leave mine > running to make access easier and I'll discuss the settings to control this > later. For now, press alt + spacebar and arrow down to minimize and press > enter. You will be placed on an option to save database changes before > locking the workspace since we've just modified our database. Press enter to > save it. KeePass remembers which group contained focus when the database was > last saved and that group will have focus the next time you open KeePass. > KeePass options > KeePass has a number of option settings that can be accessed from the Tools, > Options menu. I mainly use the default settings but will describe a couple of > suggested settings that I use. With KeePass open, press the alt key to > activate the topline menu and right arrow to Tools. When Tools is spoken, > down arrow once to open the Tools submenu and up arrow once to land on > Options and press enter. A multi-tabbed Options dialog will open with tabs > for Security, Policy, Interface, Integration, and Advanced. Security has > focus and I'm going to turn off one of its default settings. Tab once and > Lock workspace after KeePass inactivity will be spoken which means you are in > the list of Security options which you can down arrow through. I then down > arrow to the Use 'Clipboard Viewer Ignore' clipboard format checkbox which I > make sure is unchecked. I'm the only person using my computer and I use a > clipboard manager program named Ditto which allows me to browse previous > items copied to my clipboard. I find this especially helpful for browsing > items copied from my KeePass database but if this option is left checked, > KeePass won't allow Ditto to do this. You may be happy with the default > setting not to allow this which is a more secure setting. Next, press ctrl + > tab to move to the Integration tab. Tab once and you'll be in a system wide > hotkeys section in the global auto-type text box which I don't use. Tab again > and you're on the Global auto-type - password only text box which I have set > to none. Tab again and you're on the Auto-type selected entry which I have > set to none. Tab once more and you're in the Show KeePass window hotkey box. > I have this set to ctrl + alt + shift + k so that when I press this > combination, a KeePass window will open prompting me for my master password. > KeePass always remembers the last kdbx file on exiting the program. While > this hotkey text box has focus, press the key combination you want to set > here. Continue to tab until you hear Run KeePass at Windows startup checkbox > and make sure it is checked. I think it is a good idea to have KeePass > running at all times to make accessing your stored passwords easier when > using your computer. Tab until you hear ok and press enter to complete > setting your options. > Opening KeePass > How you open KeePass could vary depending on your option settings. I have > KeePass set to run automatically at Windows startup so I'm presented with a > KeePass login window at system start where I provide my password. I have my > options set to lock KeePass whenever I minimize it so that the master > password is required in order to review the passwords in its database. I can > open a new KeePass window by pressing ctrl + alt + shift + k which I > described earlier in the options section. To open KeePass, you might need to > execute a desktop icon on your system depending on how you installed KeePass > and your option settings. > > When you open KeePass, you should be asked for your master password. After > that is typed and accepted, your database will open and focus will be in a > search box where you can type the title keyword to locate an existing entry. > After typing the search term and pressing enter, the list of entries matching > will be presented in the list view. You can tab once to access the tree view > of groups and tab again to reach the list view of entries which match. You > can then arrow up and down the list until you find the one you want. > Accessing the passwords in the list view > When focus is on the password entry you want, you can press ctrl + c to copy > its password to the clipboard. You can easily paste it to another computer > program or website by pressing ctrl + v when on a text box seeking a > password. Also, when focus is on an entry in the KeePass list view, you can > press ctrl + b to copy that entry's user name to the clipboard. Finally, you > can press shift + F10 on the entry with focus and a context menu will open > which you can arrow up and down through to select an item of choice. If you > set up custom string fields for this entry, one of the context menu choices > is the copy field submenu and when you right arrow on it, you will be > provided a list of the custom string fields set up and pressing enter on the > custom field name will copy its value to the clipboard. This is very handy > especially if you use a clipboard manager such as Ditto that allows you to > peruse your clipboard entries for selection and pasting. > KeePass on your mobile device > With the explosion of mobile devices for accessing content, having access to > your KeePass database on such devices is critical. This discussion will focus > on iOS since I use an iPhone but the main issue for both iOS and Android is > that you will have to know the name of your KeePass kdbx file on your > computer and make it available to your mobile device whether you are running > iOS or Android. This is why I recommended earlier that you save your KeePass > kdbx file in a Dropbox folder on your computer which makes it much easier to > share with a mobile device. > iOS > I have used two different iOS apps for accessing my KeePass database on my > iPhone. The first was Mini KeePass which unfortunately is no longer > available and the second is KeePass Touch which is free with ads or is 99 > cents without ads. KeePass Touch is much better in my opinion because it can > be synced with the same kdbx database used by your computer using Dropbox. > With KeePass Touch, when you sign into the app after turning on Touch ID, you > have access to all your passwords without providing the master password > manually. When you navigate to your password field, you can double tap on the > screen to copy it to the clipboard for easy pasting to another app. KeePass > Touch also has a search feature at the top of its main screen for locating > specific entries by keyword. iOS has other apps that work with KeePass > databases but I'm unfamiliar with their accessibility or cost. I suggest you > search the App Store for KeePass and see what comes up if KeePass Touch > doesn't interest you. > Android > I have only very limited experience with Android but I did install the > KeePass Droid app which was free on a Moto X4 phone. I did nothing more than > install the app so can't offer any instructions on its use. > Dropbox download link for this overview > For those wishing to download this overview to your device in docx format, > you can use the following Dropbox link: > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/pwanviq8gedogsp/KeePass%20Tutorial.docx?dl=1 > <https://www.dropbox.com/s/pwanviq8gedogsp/KeePass%20Tutorial.docx?dl=1> > > Alan Lemly > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 10:43 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: RE: Password manager > > Alan, > Does Keepass support two factor authentication? > > I did a web search on Windows and found a link that announced version 2.45 > was released and when I followed the download link which is through source > forge, it was version 2.51… > > I have not used a password manager but keep passwords in a password protected > excel spreadsheet. I’m getting tired of having to open it up when I need one > of my more obscure passwords. > > Can you direct me to a primer for dummies on how to use this or any other > password manager? > > > > > Richard > > My web site; https://www.turner42.com/ <https://www.turner42.com/> > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>. 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