Sieghard and all, To be fair, I think this thread is actually relevant in that there have been other discussions here about accessibility / bugs between iOS versions where someone might actually feel like they want to move a sim to another phone running a different OS for accessibility reasons. So I personally am finding this topic super useful and informative.
Even for the accessibility of the physical process of switching sim cards that some folks may not have done before; that kind of discussion would also be appropriate here. For myself, in using different phones for writing / testing software, I'll occasionally switch sim cards but as has been said, that sort of situation is not for everyone. Anyway, regardless, the whole topic of esim vs sim can be valuable here, I think. Just my thoughts, and thanks for such a great discussion. Cheers! Cara > On Oct 19, 2022, at 9:42 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: > > It maybe perfectly reasonable as far as it goes, but apart from Mark being > the list moderator the question also has little or nothing to do with the > purpose of this list which is about the iPhone's accessibility features and > physical SIM or e-SIM do not factor into accessibility. > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of > Malcolm Parfitt > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:19 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max > with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States? > > I think Mark’s question is perfectly reasonable and has become confused with > other issues. > > Here in the UK my understanding is that iPhone models come with a removable > SIM tray. When I discussed ESIM with my provider EE the person I spoke to > was far from advising me that an ESIM was the way to go. > > Malcolm Parfitt > >> On 19 Oct 2022, at 22:27, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >> >> Peter, with all do respect, this is not the same as the removal of the >> headphone jack. >> >> In that instance, the jack was removed from all new models of the phone, >> regardless of from where they were purchased. >> >> I did not start this thread to engage in a debate. >> >> Each person is free to purchase his /her preferred device. >> >> In my case, I will do my best to obtain the model that allows me the >> greatest wireless carrier flexibility. >> >> So, let's keep this thread on point; said point being how, if possible, to >> purchase iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray from within the United States. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Mark >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Peter >> Logan >> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 2:18 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max >> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States? >> >> This is like the headphone jack controversy all over again .. LOL >> >> Get ready for it again in a couple of years when the lightening port .. or >> at the time USBC port goes away .. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of M. >> Taylor >> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max >> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States? >> >> Well said, Julian. >> >> In addition, if I pay the same money for a product as those outside the US, >> then I expect the same feature set. It really is that simple. To me, >> selling a phone model that does not offer the same features but that costs >> the same price as the enhanced model, is insulting. >> >> Just my opinion, of course. >> >> Mark >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Julian >> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 9:20 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max >> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States? >> >> For what it's worth, some of us simply just enjoy the freedom of switching >> our Sim card between phones without having to interact with our carrier. >> Remember the good ole days of CDMA? Were you had to interact with the >> carrier and give them your electronic serial number every time you wanted to >> switch phones? I realize that eSIM is nowhere near as draconian, but still, >> some of us just enjoy that freedom and enjoy that method and it should not >> be taken away from us. Therefore, I fully understand why Mark wants to go >> through the trouble of finding an iPhone 14 that still allows him the >> flexibility. Not that I'm necessarily in the market for an iPhone 14, but, I >> will be watching this discussion with interest. I'm certain that some of my >> clients will asked similar questions so I would like to have good info to >> give them. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 4:29 AM, Star Gazer <pickrellrebe...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Wondering that too >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of >>> llump...@austin.rr.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max >>> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States? >>> >>> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works just fine? >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of M. >>> Taylor >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max >>> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States? >>> >>> Hello Everyone, >>> >>> And so it begins. >>> >>> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at iPhone 14 >>> Pro Max. >>> >>> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray. >>> >>> While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised to >>> learn that, according to him, the store has been inundated by customers >>> who only want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray. He told me that >>> they are working on crafting an in-store response to the enquiries designed >>> to discouraged customers from seeking a physical SIM tray. He followed >>> that up by saying, "I know you, Mark, and no response is going to keep you >>> from getting that SIM tray model, if that is what you want." (smile) He >>> is a very smart man (smile). >>> >>> So, the search begins. >>> >>> Does anyone know away to purchase an iPhone 14 Pro Max with a physical SIM >>> tray, from within the United States? >>> >>> Some people are saying that if you buy a model from the Apple online store, >>> without designating a wireless provider, that Apple will ship you a model >>> with a physical SIM tray. However, I cannot locate anyone to confirm this. >>> >>> Make no mistake, I'm not above taking a short trek up to Canada to pick up >>> a model but if I can avoid it, I would prefer to do so. >>> >>> I have a friend who is heading to Japan in a couple of weeks and, of >>> course, I could have the friend pick up a model, in Japan, but that makes >>> me somewhat uncomfortable; I don't know why. I think I'd rather go to >>> Canada, in person, to grab a model. >>> >>> All replies greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu. 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