Same here, I have always had to enter my pin and agree to Apples bla, bla, bla 
agreement, LOL!

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-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2023 3:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we 
delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog

I disagree, I have never had my iPhone update entirely by itself if I didn't 
want it to. I have a friend in Germany who has an iPhone SE 2020 which is 
certainly capable of running iOS 16.4, but for some reason he wants to stay on 
iOS 15 right now and that is what he is on. I think sometimes people accidently 
tap something not realizing they just agreed to having an update install later, 
but you do have to enter your PIN and tap on "I Agree" at least I have never 
done an iOS update since my first iOS device in 2009 where this was not the 
case and it's now easier than ever to avoid updates if you don't want them.


-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Michael 
McKay
Sent: Friday, April 7, 2023 2:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we 
delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog

Hi folks:

It’s been my experience that the updates to the Apple iPhone iPad the computer 
being the Mac, will only delay the updates. Sooner or later it will update on 
its own there’s no way to block them indefinitely. I’ve tried on my own phone 
and I picked it up one day and found it updating on its own even if the 
automatic update feature is turned off. Just thought I would let folks know 
that so please be aware of that

Have a happy and safe Easter weekend.

Cheers!

Michael G. MacKay BA, ‘05.
Email: mgmckay1...@gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 7, 2023, at 14:53, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> iMore - The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog - Thursday, April 6,
> 2023 at 8:41 AM
> 
> Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed 
> installing them?
> Maybe let someone else find the bugs for a change.
> 
> Apple releases plenty of software updates. It's one of the things that 
> we like about the iPhone in particular
> 
> Apple is always adding new features and fixing bugs. But sometimes it 
> introduces whole new ones in the process, and that's less than ideal.
> 
> I've historically told people to install the new hotness immediately.
> Whether it's an update to iOS 16 or macOS Ventura, or indeed any other 
> Apple operating system, my stance has always been to install the 
> updates immediately. Who doesn't want more features and fewer bugs?
> 
> But with Apple's software quality assurance maybe taking a hit, I'm 
> starting to rethink that. I'm thinking, maybe, it's time that someone 
> else found the bugs instead.
> 
> We've been here before
> Apple's software quality is something of a hot topic for some, 
> although not quite as blazing-hot as it once was.
> 
> There was once a time when you couldn't open a podcast app without 
> someone waxing lyrical about how Apple had dropped the ball in some way or 
> another.
> Focusing on the iPhone so much meant the Mac suffered, and there's an 
> argument that some of the macOS Ventura goings-on suggest things are 
> as bad as ever - does your Mac tell you there's a new app or service 
> running on every restart?
> 
> But things aren't much better over in iOS land anymore, either. Things 
> are breaking and strange decisions are being made. But I can cope with 
> opinionated software development not necessarily agreeing with my opinion.
> What I don't like is introducing bugs for pretty vital bits of software.
> 
> New iOS and macOS problems
> Apple's latest round of updates has been problematic.
> For example, people running macOS Ventura 13.3 and iPadOS 16.4 report 
> that they can't make Continuity work anymore. Universal Control is a 
> mess right now, while other Continuity-based features are also dead in the 
> water.
> Copying something on a Mac and having it appear on another device when 
> you paste is the thing of magic. But it doesn't work anymore. It just, 
> doesn't.
> The same goes for Handoff in general and it's just bad. These are 
> features that have worked for months or longer. And now they don't, 
> presumably because some service deep inside macOS is broken.
> Yes, these things can happen. But we should expect better. We should 
> expect software updates not to break things that were working before.
> The first rule of software updates should be that they leave devices 
> in a better state than before they were installed. And that isn't what we're 
> seeing.
> 
> The Home app has gone backward in iOS 16.4, too. People say their 
> accessories don't work, or work intermittently which might be even 
> more infuriating. Apple has had problems with HomeKit before, and a 
> new architecture seems to be causing problems all over again after it 
> was pulled from iOS 16.2 for similar issues.
> We can hopefully expect these issues to be fixed in the next release, 
> whenever that will arrive.
> 
> The solution? Don't update
> 
> So what do we do about all this?
> Unfortunately, the only thing we can do is stop installing updates 
> immediately, mistakenly believing that they will make things better.
> Maybe we take a week or two to see what's going on and how other 
> people fare. If things are great, great! If not, hang fire instead.
> But that right there is another problem, this time for Apple. Because 
> it sometimes rolls out important security fixes that people need to install.
> And anything that stops them from doing that is a problem. Yes, 
> Apple's Rapid Security Response system might fix that, separating 
> security fixes from the main iOS updates. But people still need to 
> approve them. And will they do that if the trust is gone? And who 
> feels brave enough to leave automatic updates enabled? Not me.
> 
> I used to say that the best iPhone was an updated iPhone. The same 
> went for iPads, Macs, Apple Watches, and Apple TVs. But now?
> Now I just say that the best device is the one that works like it did 
> yesterday.
> 
> Original article at:
> https://www.imore.com/ios/ios-16/apples-software-updates-are-breaking-
> things -is-it-time-we-delayed-installing-them
> 
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