So, you have two choices currently. You can go with Apple, who is focused on user experience. This company has learned that the vast majority of their users prefers the upgraded iOS to automatically be downloaded to the device so that they can update, whenever and wherever they choose in as easy a way as possible. With this model, the only way you can keep the system from setting up to offer the upgrade nice and ready for installation is to keep your memory at less than 1.5 GB of available storage as this is how much the update takes up if you do not start the process manually. If you do start the process manually, 3 GB of space is required. Apple makes it very clear that, once you upgrade, you cannot downgrade again. Because of this, Apple stops supporting the previous version shortly after the new version is released.
Your other option is Android. Android gives almost the same level of control and customisation that one receives on a Windows desktop. However, phone manufacturers are free to modify the Android OS before you ever receive the phone. Unlike with Apple, where the previous three years worth of models are supported for upgrades, Android phones are well-known for the fact that upgrade availability can take a year or longer after release before your device upgrade becomes available from your product manufacturer / carrier. According to things I have read, Android does not have priority for supporting older devices with new OS, so you may acquire an Android device running the current version and never be able to upgrade. In many cases, this can be gotten around if you are technical enough to remove your OS and install a different / upgraded version of the OS, but this action may well 'brick' your device (as a friend recently discovered). If that happens, your only option is purchasing a new device. In other words, nothing is perfect. No solution is going to make everyone happy. The question you must ask yourself is, which approach better matches you. Then, you must accept the trade-offs that you acquire with that device's approach. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 5 Oct 2013, at 8:59, "Pablo Morales" <pablomorale...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Christopher, this point is not related with your point. The issue is not if > the memory is blank. The issue is apple is obligating us to install IOs 7 > filling the memory with data that is not the operated system. So the issue is > not the memory space fulled by the operated system. The issue is the memory > that is occupating the second operated system stored in the memory. The > issue is that apple downloaded and full that memory without or permission. > So we are talking about 2 operated system stored in the memory, One > installed, and other waiting to be install. > On the other hand, I don't see a lot of benefits to the users of IOs 7 in an > iPhone 4. Security? > What security if the most part of the apple users don't jeilbreak their > devices? > What security if is my right to keep my iPhone unsecured or secure. Is my > right to run the operated system that works better with my device, my device, > no the apple device. You know, right to the property. > I have the right to allow or do not allow the download to data to my device. > More when the download is so big. Again, these are our properties, no the > apple properties. They can create what ever IOs wants, but is our right to > install it when ever we want, if we want. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain" <chalt...@gmail.com> > To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 3:35 PM > Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 > holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > > >> One thing to keep in mind here is that you didn't buy a blank memory stick >> or a device where you can load your own operating system. You didn't just >> buy a piece of hardware. You bought the operating system and you bought into >> the whole Apple ecosystem. You get a lot of advantages from the ecosystem, >> such as built in accessibility, a simpler interface, greater security, >> virtually no fragmentation and so on. >> >> I agree that we have the right to ask Apple for different features, but I >> don't think access to every byte of memory on our iPhone is a right. The OS >> already takes up a certain amount of space. Every time Apple implements a >> new feature, the operating system gets a little larger. Apple could just >> increase the amount of space IOS consumes and build in an area of memory >> exclusively used for upgrades, and we'd be none the wiser. >> >> Like I said, we can ask Apple to change, but supporting multiple OS's will >> cost Apple and app developers, and these costs will be passed onto the >> consumers. Apple has also been wildly successful with this model, so much so >> that Microsoft and even Google are starting to emulate this model. >> >>> On 10/04/2013 01:56 PM, Pablo Morales wrote: >>> Thanks Jonathan. >>> You explained it with better words. You have been clear, direct, and >>> objective to this point. Any body has rights on our property. We have >>> in the constitution the right for the property. Any body can fill the >>> storage memory of our devices with data that can not be remove, and the >>> only way to remove it is installing the operated system that >>> apple imposed to us. Apple created the way to push us to buy new >>> devices, making the iPhone 4 very slows, and downloading data to our >>> devices, filling space in our iDevices, and the only way to remove the >>> data stored in our devices is installing the operated system. >>> Raul, what did I game? >>> I don't see a lot of benefits in hand writing, or in the control center, >>> or in, what else? >>> Now if the cup is half empty or half full. Obviously is almost empty, >>> because the number of bugs of IOs 7 are a lot, not a few. The iPhone 4 >>> is very slow, and apple forced me to install the IOs 7 downloading it >>> and filling the memory of my iPhone, without my permission. >>> Neal , yes, is a way that is worse. the way is download the IOs 7 >>> without our authorizations to our iPhones, filling memory space. Is no >>> way to remove that data fill by apple without our authorizations, the >>> way to do it, is installing the update, and pressing double tab on the >>> agree button. So, yes, is another way to do it. It is call forcing >>> people to press the agree button. >>> Alan, no, of course it doesn't install automatically. But it download >>> automatically. The way to recover that space, is obligate the people to >>> press double tab on the agree button. >>> Why I got an apple phone? >>> Because when I bought it, it was working nicely. But it is in the pass, >>> now apple forced me to install the update, filling my memory store with >>> an update that I didn't want to use. Now, If I buy the phone seeing how >>> it works now? >>> Never. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> *From:* Jonathan Mosen <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org> >>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> *Sent:* Friday, October 04, 2013 12:24 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now >>> forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >>> >>> Hi everyone, I have a lot more sympathy for Pablo's position than >>> many of you seem to have. Since I paid to test iOS 7, I was prepared >>> for the onslaught of negativity that I think is pretty justified for >>> a release that has more serious VoiceOver bugs than any other I can >>> remember. >>> As a tester, I could always go back, so as Raul very nicely put it, >>> I could decide whether I viewed the cup as half full or half empty, >>> or in other words, did the very real benefits offered in 7 outweigh >>> the annoying bugs that might tempt me to go back to 6. In the end, I >>> decided that I'd stick with 7, knowing that there'd be a point where >>> that decision was final and there'd be no turning back. This is a >>> decision that i took that is personal to me, based on the way I use >>> my particular device. Other's might make a different choice. That's >>> if they had the choice to make, of course. >>> End users had a relatively short time to evaluate iOS 7 and its >>> impact on daily usage before it became impossible to revert to 6. >>> When you throw a screen reader into the mix, that evaluation process >>> is even more complex. >>> The irony is that if your iOS device malfunctioned, and you needed >>> to get it replaced with a refurbished unit, if it's an iPhone 5 it >>> would come with iOS 6 on it today. So indirectly, Apple is >>> signalling that the way to get iOS 6 back again is to subtly break >>> your phone in a way that doesn't put it out of warranty. >>> If I upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 8, and find that the benefits >>> don't outweigh some of the annoyances I have with the new user >>> interface, I'm free to downgrade again if I have my Windows 7 >>> install disks. Apple is entitled to do things differently, of >>> course, but customers are also entitled to call them out for >>> draconian and disadvantageous practices. There may be an argument to >>> be made that in the interests of security, Apple needs everyone to >>> update, but security issues are minimal compared with other devices, >>> at least, that's what Apple keeps telling us. If we've tried what >>> Apple is offering and don't like it, I believe we should not be >>> prevented from reverting to what we had before. Apple needs to earn >>> our adoption of iOS 7 by making it a quality product with features >>> we need, not through brute-force tactics. >>> And make no mistake, brute-force tactics are what they're employing. >>> I've been interested to read people seemingly disputing the notion >>> that iOS 7 is being downloaded without users consent. This is >>> absolutely what is occurring. It's not new with iOS 7 but that >>> doesn't necessarily make it right. You have to agree to the license >>> agreement and choose to install, but Pablo's very valid point, in my >>> view, is that you have a 3GB OS sitting there on your phone, taking >>> up valuable storage, which even if you don't install, you can't >>> delete. I don't believe that's appropriate or right. 3GB is a little >>> under 20% of the storage available to you on a 16GB iPhone. There is >>> no toggle for over the air updates, so the OS is sitting there, >>> taking up a lot of space on your phone. How do you resolve it? You >>> install the OS, then the storage is freed up again. Brute-force >>> tactics, especially when there's no way to disable over the air updates. >>> I somehow think that if Microsoft did this, people would be all over it. >>> Whether iOS 7 represents an upgrade or a downgrade will depend on a >>> bunch of personal preferences. The reality is, though, that there >>> are a number of bugs and functional changes that for some will make >>> the device a less attractive experience than when they purchased it. >>> They may have evaluated it in the store, and on the basis of what >>> they experienced, made the purchase. Now, that experience has >>> changed for the worse in the minds of some people. Those people >>> should be able to revert if they wish, and Apple should be made to >>> earn their trust in the new OS. They are the customer, customer >>> satisfaction is king. >>> I know that English is a second language for Pablo and perhaps he is >>> struggling to get his point across. But as far as I'm concerned he >>> has it right. While I wouldn't choose to downgrade despite the many >>> issues, he should have the right to do so if he wishes, and in no >>> way should any user have an OS download they don't want on their >>> device taking up space that they can't recover. >>> I accept Apple's way of doing things in the interests of the whole >>> "it just works" philosophy, and extra security compared with the >>> competition, but this is a step too far. >>> Jonathan Mosen >>> Mosen Consulting >>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>> http://Mosen.org >>> >>> On 5/10/2013, at 4:41 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca >>> <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Gary, >>>> >>>> You can still enter contacts and even edit them, the bug is that >>>> you can't >>>> apparently move the cursor in a few fields and I hope you have >>>> sent an email >>>> to Apple Accessible outlining the issue in a constructive, >>>> non-confrontational way. This is a bit like a democratic political >>>> system >>>> which, I understand, the US once had (sorry, couldn't resist that >>>> one). >>>> Anyhow, what I mean is that if I hear people complain about the >>>> government, >>>> the first thing I do is ask whether they voted at the last >>>> election. If they >>>> say No I usually tell them to shut up because they really don't >>>> have a right >>>> to complain since they didn't participate in selecting the >>>> government. OK, >>>> so Apple is no democracy, but the prinziple is the same, unless you >>>> participate in sending emails to Apple Accessibility, you can't really >>>> complain about the bugs. As Ricardo or Richard (I forget who) >>>> pointed out, >>>> the iPhone 5S and 5C only came out 2 weeks ago today and Apple >>>> gives you a >>>> generous 30 days to return a product. So, if you don't like it and >>>> think you >>>> can find another phone which offers you better accessibility, just >>>> return >>>> your iPhone. >>>> We must also not forget that Apple is a huge company. They have many >>>> departments, divisions and teams and while I am sure they all try >>>> their best >>>> to work together, there often are rivaleries and such going on between >>>> various product teams. I am quite convinced that the accessibility >>>> team >>>> would prefer to have twice as much money and twice as many people >>>> to make >>>> accessibility the best there is, but they have to do what they can >>>> with what >>>> they have and while they might have a fix for an issue, Apple is >>>> unlikely to >>>> push out an update with one or two Voiceover fixes only. If >>>> history is right >>>> and it usually is, we are now probably only 4 or 5 weeks away from >>>> iOS 7.1 >>>> which in the past years always included accessibility fixes along >>>> with other >>>> feature improvements and bug fixes. >>>> I think it's important especially in the weeks after a new iOS >>>> first comes >>>> out to send lots of feedback to Apple Accessibility so they can >>>> see where >>>> the bugs are and how to prioritize them. This is why it's also >>>> important >>>> that everybody who reads about a bug should try to reproduce it >>>> and if they >>>> can which in the case of editing Contacts seems to be the case, >>>> they should >>>> send in an email and not just take the lazy approach and think "Oh >>>> well, I'm >>>> sure a few others already did so I don't have to". If Apple gets >>>> 500 emails >>>> about this and only 50 about something else I am pretty convinced >>>> that the >>>> problem reported by 500 people will be higher up in the list than the >>>> problem reported by 50. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Sieghard >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <http://googlegroups.com>] On Behalf >>>> Of Gary Petraccaro >>>> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:24 AM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>> Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now >>>> forcing iOS 6 >>>> holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >>>> >>>> Only one person said that it downloaded and loaded. The rest of >>>> those of us >>>> who are concerned here either loaded the software and regret it or are >>>> waiting and having limited space taken up by whatever got downloaded. >>>> I'm not at all sure that had I known that I would have trouble >>>> entering >>>> contacts as has been described on this list, that I would have >>>> chosen to buy >>>> this phone. What's easily gotten around by the experienced is not >>>> so by a >>>> newby. Now, I came in with my contacts having been transferred >>>> from my >>>> previous phone. It's now not as big a deal as it would have been >>>> when I was >>>> first getting a phone and entering most of my contacts, but it >>>> might very >>>> easily not have been that way. I want a phone that's a >>>> convenience not a >>>> chore. I use a computer and don't tinker much. This looks like a >>>> decided >>>> step backwards. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Neal Ewers" <neal.ew...@ravenswood.org >>>> <mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>> >>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> >>>> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 10:08 AM >>>> Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now >>>> forcing iOS 6 >>>> holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Raul. Nice post, and a question. Are there any ways in which >>>>> Apple would >>>>> load a new iOS without someone pressing the I agree button or other >>>>> buttons >>>>> as well? To hear people tell it, this magically happens in the >>>>> night with >>>>> no >>>>> knowledge of the user. Yes? No? Can we lay this one to rest at >>>>> last, but >>>>> then I think that's what your previous message actually did. I >>>>> was just >>>>> curious if this had actually happened to anyone though I cannot >>>>> think that >>>>> it has. >>>>> >>>>> Neal >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <http://googlegroups.com>] On Behalf >>>>> Of Raul A. Gallegos >>>>> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:25 AM >>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now >>>>> forcing iOS >>>>> 6 >>>>> holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >>>>> >>>>> Hi Pablo, you might consider the glass of water analogy. Is it >>>>> half-empty >>>>> for you or half-full for you? Are you a half-empty thinker? >>>>> It certainly seems like it by the tone of your messages. I'm more >>>>> of a >>>>> half-full thinker. yes, there are bugs with new iOS releases, but >>>>> seriously >>>>> dude, are the bugs worse than what you gain? And if that is true, >>>>> then why >>>>> did you update? I'm not talking about the fact that Apple >>>>> downloaded the >>>>> iOS >>>>> on your phone to be ready, I'm talking about your willingness to >>>>> choose to >>>>> instal, choose to agree to the terms that I bet you didn't read, >>>>> and then >>>>> choose to use iOS7. Apple didn't force your fingers to tap the >>>>> install and >>>>> the agree button. And in face, there are two agree buttons just >>>>> to make >>>>> sure. So, my friend, you had a choice to upgrade. Now live with >>>>> it. if >>>>> this >>>>> sounds harsh, so be it. If you look at the glass as half-full you >>>>> will see >>>>> that despite the bugs, iOS 7 does have a lot of nice things to offer. >>>>> Also, >>>>> the bugs will get worked out given some time. yes, Apple may have >>>>> pushed >>>>> it >>>>> out quickly, but seriously, the majority of the millions of users >>>>> who use >>>>> the iPhone daily love it fine and don't complain about it because >>>>> it's >>>>> what >>>>> they want. >>>>> >>>>> This isn't a personal attack on you, obviously you have the right to >>>>> express >>>>> your opinion, and that's what I'm doing as well, but maybe you should >>>>> consider that there is good in the new release and not all bad. >>>>> You did the exact same thing with iOS 6 when you upgraded to it. >>>>> So, this >>>>> leads me to believe that you always think negatively. If you hate >>>>> Apple >>>>> and >>>>> iPhones so much, why do you even bother having one? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Raul A. Gallegos >>>>> I don't think I could kill someone. Let's face it, the closest >>>>> I've got to >>>>> murder is holding an Oreo under the milk until the bubbles stop. >>>>> - Sheldon >>>>> Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 >>>>> >>>>>> On 10/4/2013 3:43 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: >>>>>> Well, it could be ridiculous for you. Even though, when I see >>>>>> that the >>>>>> IOs is downloaded automatically to my iPhone, without my agreement, >>>>>> and it is filling space in my iPhone, and is no way to remove that >>>>>> information stored in my iPhone, I don't see so ridiculous my email. >>>>>> Either apple. >>>>>> When an IOs update appear, every body is looking for improvements in >>>>>> the operated system, we are not looking for bugs, or steps back >>>>>> in our >>>>>> devices. So I don't see so ridiculous my email. Less when the apple >>>>>> devices are the more expensive devices, no when apple is a company >>>>>> that sales iDevices for a price that for the most part of the people >>>>>> on the world, are impossible. >>>>>> When you say that apple give us the right to use their software, but >>>>>> at the same time they are storing data in my iPhone with out my >>>>>> permission, and the only way to make that space free is >>>>>> installing the >>>>>> IOs 7, is not a freedom, it is not a right the god apple gives >>>>>> to us. >>>>>> This is a command from apple. >>>>>> so I don't see so ridiculous my email. >>>>>> when we install a new IOs, every body is waiting improvements, not >>>>>> bugs, and not bunches of bugs as IOs 7 has. Even though, as you >>>>>> say, >>>>>> apple give us the right to use their software, thing that is not a >>>>>> right, it is a command, but their software is not working well, >>>>>> but we >>>>>> are not able to go back to the IOs that was working better, it is a >>>>>> right? >>>>>> No, it is not a right, it is a command.So, I don't see my email, >>>>>> ridiculous . >>>>>> Do not forget something. The device that you use, wasn't free. You >>>>>> paid for that, and you paid money that is not a little bit of money, >>>>>> it was money that could be the payment for a whole year of work >>>>>> in many >>>>>> countries on the world. Money that you paid, and it is money >>>>>> that you >>>>>> paid because you were buying a good device. No a cheaper device. >>>>>> So, I don't see my email as you said. ridiculous . >>>>>> But let me tell you in my opinion what is ridiculous . >>>>>> ridiculous is when we pay to a company that created a good >>>>>> software, >>>>>> a good hardware, hardware and software that made a difference in >>>>>> your >>>>>> life. But later they changed the software, and you start to get >>>>>> problems with many things in your device, but you fill ok, because >>>>>> every IOs bring bugs. It is ridiculous , because you didn't pay with >>>>>> money cracked, you didn't paid it with a check without funds, you >>>>>> paid it with money, good money. >>>>>> What right are you talking about. They installed the data in my >>>>>> iPhone, without my agreement, they offert a good IOs, but it >>>>>> brings a >>>>>> lot of bugs, and they don't allow us to come back to the >>>>>> software that >>>>>> they created, that works better is a right? >>>>>> No, it is not a right. >>>>>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 10:02 PM, John Diakogeorgiou >>>>>>> <jdiakoge2...@gmail.com <mailto:jdiakoge2...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pablo your email is ridiculous. first of all no one said you had to >>>>>>> update your software. That was your choice. Second of all you don't >>>>>>> own the software you own the phone and Apple is giving you the >>>>>>> right >>>>>>> to use their software. The software works quite well. Yes a few >>>>>>> bugs >>>>>>> exist but you should have been aware of them when you chose to use >>>>>>> the software. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 10/3/13, Alan Paganelli <alanandsuza...@earthlink.net >>>>>>>> <mailto:alanandsuza...@earthlink.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>> So is it running slow on the 5s as well? >>>>>>>> ------- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act >>>>>>>> now!!!!! >>>>>>>> Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know >>>>>>>> everything. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please click on: >>>>>>>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ >>>>>>>> <http://www.home.earthlink.net/%7Ealanandsuzanne/> >>>>>>>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances >>>>>>>> played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics >>>>>>>> format formerly on my >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Ricardo Walker" <rwalker...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> To: "viphone" <viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:44 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now >>>>>>>> forcing iOS 6 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I haven't seen apps take 5 seconds to open on an iPhone 4S >>>>>>>> using IOS >>>>>>>> 7. Is >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> it slower than my iPhone 5? Yes. But, I think 5 seconds to open >>>>>>>> most apps >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> is a bit of an exaggeration. Sure, some apps might take a while, >>>>>>>> the more resource intensive ones, but, definitely not the majority >>>>>>>> of apps. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JMO. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ricardo Walker >>>>>>>> rica...@appletothecore.info >>>>>>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore >>>>>>>> www.appletothecore.info >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Oct 2, 2013, at 7:01 PM, Pablo Morales >>>>>>>>> <pablomorale...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also, 5 seconds is too much. We have to use the iPhone when >>>>>>>>> we are >>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> streets, when we are going to the store, when we get a ride, >>>>>>>>> and we >>>>>>>>> need the gps, So 5 seconds is too much. Now, if in the newer >>>>>>>>> versions of iPhone takes around 2 seconds, I would like to know, >>>>>>>>> why? >>>>>>>>> The new things of IOs 7 is enough to make slower the phones? >>>>>>>>> maybe the graphic appearance? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troy Sullivan" >>>>>>>>> <troysulliva...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:40 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now >>>>>>>>> forcing iOS >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On my 4s, I notice apps take about 5 seconds to load, not right >>>>>>>>>> away, it >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> could be because I have an older phone though. I'm not able to >>>>>>>>>> upgrade without a discount until 2015 though so I will deal. >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris H" >>>>>>>>>> <christopher...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 2:03 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now >>>>>>>>>> forcing iOS >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Agreed. Apps took under five seconds to load on a 4, but under >>>>>>>>>>> two on a >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 4s. So over half the time is cut between each phone. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> E-mail Facebook and iMessage >>>>>>>>>>> christopher...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/10/2013 13:47, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Apps are taking up to 50 seconds to start running? Hmm, that >>>>>>>>>>>> sounds like you need to restore and start over. Even if >>>>>>>>>>>> iOS runs >>>>>>>>>>>> slower on older phones, apps won't take 50 seconds to >>>>>>>>>>>> start up. >>>>>>>>>>>> i just can't buy that. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Raul A. Gallegos >>>>>>>>>>>> Oh I'm not arguing, I'm simply explaining why I'm right. - >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/30/2013 10:25 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, IOs 7 is good running on new devices like iPhone 4s, 5 >>>>>>>>>>>>> and 5s, but this new IOs make slower the iPhone 4, and is >>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>> annoying try to run what ever app when voice over works so >>>>>>>>>>>>> slow, when what ever app takes until 50 seconds to start >>>>>>>>>>>>> opening, and when we have to try and try several times to run >>>>>>>>>>>>> an app. Is obvious that IOs 7 is heavy for the processor that >>>>>>>>>>>>> the iPhone 4 has, so make an update of operated system >>>>>>>>>>>>> will be >>>>>>>>>>>>> good for the users who has iDevices with processors relative >>>>>>>>>>>>> new, but not every body is in position of go to buy an iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>> 5s, or pay around 800$ every years when ever apple create an >>>>>>>>>>>>> new device. We are customers, and customers of apple doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>>> mean richness. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Is a lot of people who had to make a very hard effort to >>>>>>>>>>>>> buy an >>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhone, so why apple is trying to make those devices slower, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and push them to buy new devices with faster processors >>>>>>>>>>>>> to run >>>>>>>>>>>>> what ever IOs apple wants? >>>>>>>>>>>>> We are the owners of our iDevices, we are not renting those >>>>>>>>>>>>> devices, so if I paid for that device, why apple has >>>>>>>>>>>>> rights on >>>>>>>>>>>>> my property? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> "VIPhone" >>>>>>>>>>> Google Group. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing >>>>>>>>>>> viphone@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Reach the 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