Hi Gary, You can still enter contacts and even edit them, the bug is that you can't apparently move the cursor in a few fields and I hope you have sent an email to Apple Accessible outlining the issue in a constructive, non-confrontational way. This is a bit like a democratic political system which, I understand, the US once had (sorry, couldn't resist that one). Anyhow, what I mean is that if I hear people complain about the government, the first thing I do is ask whether they voted at the last election. If they say No I usually tell them to shut up because they really don't have a right to complain since they didn't participate in selecting the government. OK, so Apple is no democracy, but the prinziple is the same, unless you participate in sending emails to Apple Accessibility, you can't really complain about the bugs. As Ricardo or Richard (I forget who) pointed out, the iPhone 5S and 5C only came out 2 weeks ago today and Apple gives you a generous 30 days to return a product. So, if you don't like it and think you can find another phone which offers you better accessibility, just return your iPhone. We must also not forget that Apple is a huge company. They have many departments, divisions and teams and while I am sure they all try their best to work together, there often are rivaleries and such going on between various product teams. I am quite convinced that the accessibility team would prefer to have twice as much money and twice as many people to make accessibility the best there is, but they have to do what they can with what they have and while they might have a fix for an issue, Apple is unlikely to push out an update with one or two Voiceover fixes only. If history is right and it usually is, we are now probably only 4 or 5 weeks away from iOS 7.1 which in the past years always included accessibility fixes along with other feature improvements and bug fixes. I think it's important especially in the weeks after a new iOS first comes out to send lots of feedback to Apple Accessibility so they can see where the bugs are and how to prioritize them. This is why it's also important that everybody who reads about a bug should try to reproduce it and if they can which in the case of editing Contacts seems to be the case, they should send in an email and not just take the lazy approach and think "Oh well, I'm sure a few others already did so I don't have to". If Apple gets 500 emails about this and only 50 about something else I am pretty convinced that the problem reported by 500 people will be higher up in the list than the problem reported by 50.
Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Petraccaro Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Only one person said that it downloaded and loaded. The rest of those of us who are concerned here either loaded the software and regret it or are waiting and having limited space taken up by whatever got downloaded. I'm not at all sure that had I known that I would have trouble entering contacts as has been described on this list, that I would have chosen to buy this phone. What's easily gotten around by the experienced is not so by a newby. Now, I came in with my contacts having been transferred from my previous phone. It's now not as big a deal as it would have been when I was first getting a phone and entering most of my contacts, but it might very easily not have been that way. I want a phone that's a convenience not a chore. I use a computer and don't tinker much. This looks like a decided step backwards. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Ewers" <neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 10:08 AM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > Raul. Nice post, and a question. Are there any ways in which Apple would > load a new iOS without someone pressing the I agree button or other > buttons > as well? To hear people tell it, this magically happens in the night with > no > knowledge of the user. Yes? No? Can we lay this one to rest at last, but > then I think that's what your previous message actually did. I was just > curious if this had actually happened to anyone though I cannot think that > it has. > > Neal > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Raul A. Gallegos > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:25 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS > 6 > holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > > Hi Pablo, you might consider the glass of water analogy. Is it half-empty > for you or half-full for you? Are you a half-empty thinker? > It certainly seems like it by the tone of your messages. I'm more of a > half-full thinker. yes, there are bugs with new iOS releases, but > seriously > dude, are the bugs worse than what you gain? And if that is true, then why > did you update? I'm not talking about the fact that Apple downloaded the > iOS > on your phone to be ready, I'm talking about your willingness to choose to > instal, choose to agree to the terms that I bet you didn't read, and then > choose to use iOS7. Apple didn't force your fingers to tap the install and > the agree button. And in face, there are two agree buttons just to make > sure. So, my friend, you had a choice to upgrade. Now live with it. if > this > sounds harsh, so be it. If you look at the glass as half-full you will see > that despite the bugs, iOS 7 does have a lot of nice things to offer. > Also, > the bugs will get worked out given some time. yes, Apple may have pushed > it > out quickly, but seriously, the majority of the millions of users who use > the iPhone daily love it fine and don't complain about it because it's > what > they want. > > This isn't a personal attack on you, obviously you have the right to > express > your opinion, and that's what I'm doing as well, but maybe you should > consider that there is good in the new release and not all bad. > You did the exact same thing with iOS 6 when you upgraded to it. So, this > leads me to believe that you always think negatively. If you hate Apple > and > iPhones so much, why do you even bother having one? > > > -- > Raul A. Gallegos > I don't think I could kill someone. Let's face it, the closest I've got to > murder is holding an Oreo under the milk until the bubbles stop. - Sheldon > Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 > > On 10/4/2013 3:43 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: >> Well, it could be ridiculous for you. Even though, when I see that the >> IOs is downloaded automatically to my iPhone, without my agreement, >> and it is filling space in my iPhone, and is no way to remove that >> information stored in my iPhone, I don't see so ridiculous my email. >> Either apple. >> When an IOs update appear, every body is looking for improvements in >> the operated system, we are not looking for bugs, or steps back in our >> devices. So I don't see so ridiculous my email. Less when the apple >> devices are the more expensive devices, no when apple is a company >> that sales iDevices for a price that for the most part of the people >> on the world, are impossible. >> When you say that apple give us the right to use their software, but >> at the same time they are storing data in my iPhone with out my >> permission, and the only way to make that space free is installing the >> IOs 7, is not a freedom, it is not a right the god apple gives to us. >> This is a command from apple. >> so I don't see so ridiculous my email. >> when we install a new IOs, every body is waiting improvements, not >> bugs, and not bunches of bugs as IOs 7 has. Even though, as you say, >> apple give us the right to use their software, thing that is not a >> right, it is a command, but their software is not working well, but we >> are not able to go back to the IOs that was working better, it is a >> right? >> No, it is not a right, it is a command.So, I don't see my email, >> ridiculous . >> Do not forget something. The device that you use, wasn't free. You >> paid for that, and you paid money that is not a little bit of money, >> it was money that could be the payment for a whole year of work in many >> countries on the world. Money that you paid, and it is money that you >> paid because you were buying a good device. No a cheaper device. >> So, I don't see my email as you said. ridiculous . >> But let me tell you in my opinion what is ridiculous . >> ridiculous is when we pay to a company that created a good software, >> a good hardware, hardware and software that made a difference in your >> life. But later they changed the software, and you start to get >> problems with many things in your device, but you fill ok, because >> every IOs bring bugs. It is ridiculous , because you didn't pay with >> money cracked, you didn't paid it with a check without funds, you >> paid it with money, good money. >> What right are you talking about. They installed the data in my >> iPhone, without my agreement, they offert a good IOs, but it brings a >> lot of bugs, and they don't allow us to come back to the software that >> they created, that works better is a right? >> No, it is not a right. >>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 10:02 PM, John Diakogeorgiou >>> <jdiakoge2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Pablo your email is ridiculous. first of all no one said you had to >>> update your software. That was your choice. Second of all you don't >>> own the software you own the phone and Apple is giving you the right >>> to use their software. The software works quite well. Yes a few bugs >>> exist but you should have been aware of them when you chose to use >>> the software. >>> >>>> On 10/3/13, Alan Paganelli <alanandsuza...@earthlink.net> wrote: >>>> So is it running slow on the 5s as well? >>>> ------- >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013! >>>> >>>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act >>>> now!!!!! >>>> Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. >>>> >>>> Please click on: >>>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ >>>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances >>>> played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics >>>> format formerly on my >>>> >>>> website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Ricardo Walker" <rwalker...@gmail.com> >>>> To: "viphone" <viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:44 PM >>>> Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now >>>> forcing iOS 6 >>>> >>>> holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I haven't seen apps take 5 seconds to open on an iPhone 4S using IOS >>>> 7. Is >>>> >>>> it slower than my iPhone 5? Yes. But, I think 5 seconds to open >>>> most apps >>>> >>>> is a bit of an exaggeration. Sure, some apps might take a while, >>>> the more resource intensive ones, but, definitely not the majority >>>> of apps. >>>> >>>> JMO. >>>> >>>> Ricardo Walker >>>> rica...@appletothecore.info >>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore >>>> www.appletothecore.info >>>> >>>>> On Oct 2, 2013, at 7:01 PM, Pablo Morales >>>>> <pablomorale...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Also, 5 seconds is too much. We have to use the iPhone when we are >>>>> on the >>>>> >>>>> streets, when we are going to the store, when we get a ride, and we >>>>> need the gps, So 5 seconds is too much. Now, if in the newer >>>>> versions of iPhone takes around 2 seconds, I would like to know, >>>>> why? >>>>> The new things of IOs 7 is enough to make slower the phones? >>>>> maybe the graphic appearance? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troy Sullivan" >>>>> <troysulliva...@gmail.com> >>>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:40 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now >>>>> forcing iOS >>>>> >>>>> 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On my 4s, I notice apps take about 5 seconds to load, not right >>>>>> away, it >>>>>> >>>>>> could be because I have an older phone though. I'm not able to >>>>>> upgrade without a discount until 2015 though so I will deal. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris H" >>>>>> <christopher...@gmail.com> >>>>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 2:03 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now >>>>>> forcing iOS >>>>>> >>>>>> 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Agreed. Apps took under five seconds to load on a 4, but under >>>>>>> two on a >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 4s. So over half the time is cut between each phone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> E-mail Facebook and iMessage >>>>>>> christopher...@gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 02/10/2013 13:47, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: >>>>>>>> Apps are taking up to 50 seconds to start running? Hmm, that >>>>>>>> sounds like you need to restore and start over. Even if iOS runs >>>>>>>> slower on older phones, apps won't take 50 seconds to start up. >>>>>>>> i just can't buy that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Raul A. Gallegos >>>>>>>> Oh I'm not arguing, I'm simply explaining why I'm right. - >>>>>>>> Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 9/30/2013 10:25 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: >>>>>>>>> Yes, IOs 7 is good running on new devices like iPhone 4s, 5 >>>>>>>>> and 5s, but this new IOs make slower the iPhone 4, and is very >>>>>>>>> annoying try to run what ever app when voice over works so >>>>>>>>> slow, when what ever app takes until 50 seconds to start >>>>>>>>> opening, and when we have to try and try several times to run >>>>>>>>> an app. Is obvious that IOs 7 is heavy for the processor that >>>>>>>>> the iPhone 4 has, so make an update of operated system will be >>>>>>>>> good for the users who has iDevices with processors relative >>>>>>>>> new, but not every body is in position of go to buy an iPhone >>>>>>>>> 5s, or pay around 800$ every years when ever apple create an >>>>>>>>> new device. 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