You say IOS 7 is sluggish on your family members iPhone 4. Was it also sluggish with IOS 6?
Also, I've never heard a lot of grumbling about Windows pushing updates out to people's PC's without their knowledge mostly because I don't ever recall a time when this wasn't a configurable option. I'm not sure analogies with Windows go very far though. The Apple business model and ecosystem is very different than that of Microsoft and the PC. The fact that you get your PC from one company and the operating system from another is one such case. Note that Microsoft is changing it's business model and adapting some of the same characteristics of Apple's wildly successful model. It isn't a coincidence that Microsoft has gotten into the business of making their own tablet hardware and just bought a smart phone handset manufacturer. Of course, Google got into the hardware business themselves not too long ago, and I read an article recently on how Android is pushing out upgrades on it's phones behind the scenes to battle malware and fragmentation in the Android ecosystem.
On 10/04/2013 05:03 PM, Grant Hardy wrote:
Hi Chris, All analogies aside, I must say that while I personally am not experiencing any showstoppers with iOS 7, I think being able to downgrade, or at least disable the automatic download, is a pretty reasonable request. I personally agree with Jonathan's post and don't see why listers object to that request. A sighted family member has an iPhone 4 with iOS 7 and when I turn on VO to help them, I definitely notice a lot of sluggishness. In the past Microsoft has been chastised for automatically installing updates to the Windows update engine itself without a user's consent. So I don't think Pablo's request is out of the ordinary by any means. Grant -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: October 4, 2013 1:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Automatic iOS 7 download and space considerations Well, I think it's a bad analogy. I think a better analogy is that I want to buy a home in a maintained community where I don't have to worry about security or maintenance. The community will keep my walls fresh and clean. My carpeting will be replaced for me on a regular basis. My lawn will be mowed and trimmed for me. Now to save costs and make sure all of the houses in the community look as nice as possible, I don't get to choose exactly when my home will be painted or the carpeting replaced, and I have limited choices of colors. I'm OK if the maintenance crew needs to keep some paint and supplies in one of my closets. On 10/04/2013 02:40 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:Wow, this issue made me think about a situation very similar. For example, I have a little home, One bed room, one bathroom, a little kitchen and a little living room together. Even though, it is my home, I am the owner of my great home. I clean and put my home nice every day. I had to work very hard to buy this little home, and I love my home. even though, one day, The god apple said. Every body has to paint their homes of red, and I think, oh no, I don't like the red color, no for my walls, it is a very stressful color, and I said no. But God apple sent a group of solders to my home, and they broke my door, and put in my bathroom, the gallons of paint, red paint, brushes, and steps, the whole tools to paint my home. Now I got my bathroom full of things that I don't want to use, but I am not able to take this things out of my home. The only way that I have to do it, is paint my home of red, and no matter if I don't like this color, no matter if this color doesn't match with my furniture's, no matter if this color make me stressed. Do you think that is fir? do you think that is legal? I don't see it legal, and I don't see it fir. ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> *Sent:* Friday, October 04, 2013 3:28 PM *Subject:* Automatic iOS 7 download and space considerations Hello, Jonathan as always explains things like nobody else and I do agree that the automatic downloading of iOS 7 is maybe not something Apple should force on people even though it is also not new since they did the same with iOS 5 and iOS 6. Here is a point, though, which I wonder about: People mostly complain that on something like a 16 Gb phone this update takes up a lot of space and I would agree that it does. If you only have maybe 3 or 4 Gb free space and this is almost 3 Gb it doesn't leave you with much. If you use a 16 Gb phone but you don't really fill your device with music and only use storage space for some apps, maybe a few books or pictures, then you probably have at least 6 or 8 Gb free space in which case it's a mute point if half of that space is used up by the update since chances are you won't run out of space. If your phone is so full that maybe you only have 1 Gb free I wonder what happens then. I somehow doubt Apple randomly can delete stuff from your phone to make room for the update, it is my guess that if you went to Software Update in General Settings it would have an "Download and Install" option since it could not download the update and if you tried it you would be informed that there wasn't enough space. At that point you would have to take off (un-sync) some music, pictures, books or apps depending on what you have on your phone to fill it up should you want to install the update, afterwards you could resync that content. So, maybe this is something to remember next year as a work-around. If you have a 16 Gb device and don't want a new iOS update to download, simply make sure you fill your device with content and only leave maybe less than 2 Gb free for use, this way there is not enough space for the update to download and you are good to go. If you have 5, 6 or 8 Gb of free space or even more then having the just under 3 Gb download sitting on your device is a mute point. Should people have to do this? No, probably not, I think Apple should put something into the Settings which just as you can turn off automatic app updates allows you to turn off automatic iOS update downloads. They could even have this set to On by default since then it's up to each person who cares enough to not want this to turn it off. Regards, Sieghard a quarter or and have a smaller First, it is my understanding that this only downloads via is a point, though, regarding space. 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