That's what I'm saying. we actually don't own the iPhoen as property;
instead we have a right, or license, to use the iPhone as a device and
deal with the Apple Ecosystem. Each may agree to disagree but that's
what it is.
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On 19/10/2013 17:39, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
I think there are several issues with this. First, you're thinking of
your iPhone as property. That may be true assuming you remove IOS from
it and don't sign up for any other services on it. When you buy an
iPhone you get IOS, you agree to it's terms and conditions and you
participate in all of the services that come with the Apple ecosystem.
Go into Settings -> General -> About -> Legal -> License and you'll see
that you're licensing IOS and not buying it. You'll also see that IOS
software includes updates and that it includes space taken up on all
media. You'll also see that you have the right to return your iPhone
within a certain period if you don't agree with the terms and conditions
of this license.
You say that Apple is using your resources and your property without
your permission. I think by agreeing to the license when you installed
IOS 7 or when you purchased your iPhone you are indeed giving Apple
permission to use your iPhone for IOS, it's updates and associated
services.
I don't get your analogy about Bill Gates and his parking lot, but I see
things a bit differently. Sure, when I buy a house, I'm buying property.
When I sign up for services from my municipality, I don't sue the city
for running pipes or electric lines to my house, hanging meters off the
side of my house or putting a transformer box in the corner of my lot.
I don't see anything in this issue that implies there's a class war
going on here between the wealthy and the rest of us. I see it as an
issue of definitions. Apple thinks you're licensing the right to use
their software and all that that applies, while others think of their
iPhone as a piece of property. I guess if people are going to bring law
suits over this, the courts will determine where these lines are drawn,
but I think this notion of property doesn't take into account the
services that are bundled with a device.
On 10/19/2013 03:09 AM, Pablo Morales wrote:
Hi Chris.
Well, I don't think that the only who has right to feel this issue of
download the IOs without agreement is a violation is the people with
iPhones or iDevices of 8 or 16 GB.
What could happen if you use the property of Bill Gates to store your
things, without his agreement?
What could happen to you, if you place a car in the Bill gates parking
lot, in his little home in Washington State?
For sure he has a big parking lot, for sure he has a lot of properties.
Now, because of that he should feel that you did is not a illegal action?
For sure he will take legal actions against you. In the laws of United
States, the property right is one of the fundamentals right in our
constitution, and it is a right in the most countries on the world.
What apple is doing, is using the resources of our devices, downloading
bunches of data, storing it in the memory of our devices, without our
agreement. No body can use your property without your agreement. More
over, is no way to remove the data that apple stored in our devices,
unless we install the operated system.
Try to place a car in the Bill Gate parking lot, and keep it there until
Bill Gates buy your car. Tell Bill Gates that you will not remove your
car of his parking lot, until he pay you for that car, and tell me what
happen.
The law should be apply for every body, not just with the people who is
not rich. The law is also for the people who is braking rights, not
matter if they are apple, Bill Gates or Chris.
So, the problem here is not if our iDevices are of 8 or 64Gb. The point
here is that apple is violating a right of property, and not providing a
solution for the people who doesn't want to install IOs what ever
version they release. When I say it, I mean, not providing a way to
remove the data stored in the iDevices.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris H" <christopher...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 3:09 AM
Subject: Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates
Hope this goes well, but I still believe in the notion that one is not
actually forced into the update; they are just forced to have it
downloaded to their device and take, to some, a considerable amount of
space on their device. I can understand this being an issue for 8 GB and
16 GB devices, but for the rest of you, deal with it and maybe you will
install it in your own time. Remember, the update is only downloaded,
not installed, to one's device, since one have to agree to the terms of
conditions not once, but twice. If the update got installed
automatically, then yes I would support the man suing Tim Cook. But not
sure on this case.
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On 19/10/2013 06:57, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
Given the extensive discussion here about Apple downloading automatic
updates to devices, I thought some might be interested to know that a
number of news outlets are reporting that a California man is taking
Tim Cook to Small Claims Court over this issue. He's asking for $50 in
compensation and for Apple to address the issue, so he's obviously not
doing this to get rich.
It will be very interesting to see where this goes.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org
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