I feel that this argument is very childish. Apple keeps updating their software to bring it in line with new technology and to help ward off hackers and the like. People do not like change so they don't want to learn how to use new features of a product which make it better. Yes you may own the physical phone but when you purchased it and clicked on agree to all of Apples terms (probably without reading what you clicked on) you agreed to everything they are doing with the software. If it's something you didn't agree to then you should return the product. It is fare to say that any product you purchase is going to have some bugs in it. Apple has gone a lot farther than other companies (Android) in point to provide us with a package which works. It works very well. The few bugs which exist are offset by the advantages of the changes. If people ar that distraught with Apple placing 2gb of data on their phone because they are to stubborn to update then they should put enough data on the phone so that Apple can't download the update.
On 10/19/13, Chris H <christopher...@gmail.com> wrote: > That's what I'm saying. we actually don't own the iPhoen as property; > instead we have a right, or license, to use the iPhone as a device and > deal with the Apple Ecosystem. Each may agree to disagree but that's > what it is. > > E-mail Facebook and iMessage > christopher...@gmail.com > > On 19/10/2013 17:39, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >> I think there are several issues with this. First, you're thinking of >> your iPhone as property. That may be true assuming you remove IOS from >> it and don't sign up for any other services on it. When you buy an >> iPhone you get IOS, you agree to it's terms and conditions and you >> participate in all of the services that come with the Apple ecosystem. >> >> Go into Settings -> General -> About -> Legal -> License and you'll see >> that you're licensing IOS and not buying it. You'll also see that IOS >> software includes updates and that it includes space taken up on all >> media. You'll also see that you have the right to return your iPhone >> within a certain period if you don't agree with the terms and conditions >> of this license. >> >> You say that Apple is using your resources and your property without >> your permission. I think by agreeing to the license when you installed >> IOS 7 or when you purchased your iPhone you are indeed giving Apple >> permission to use your iPhone for IOS, it's updates and associated >> services. >> >> I don't get your analogy about Bill Gates and his parking lot, but I see >> things a bit differently. Sure, when I buy a house, I'm buying property. >> When I sign up for services from my municipality, I don't sue the city >> for running pipes or electric lines to my house, hanging meters off the >> side of my house or putting a transformer box in the corner of my lot. >> >> I don't see anything in this issue that implies there's a class war >> going on here between the wealthy and the rest of us. I see it as an >> issue of definitions. Apple thinks you're licensing the right to use >> their software and all that that applies, while others think of their >> iPhone as a piece of property. I guess if people are going to bring law >> suits over this, the courts will determine where these lines are drawn, >> but I think this notion of property doesn't take into account the >> services that are bundled with a device. >> >> On 10/19/2013 03:09 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: >>> Hi Chris. >>> Well, I don't think that the only who has right to feel this issue of >>> download the IOs without agreement is a violation is the people with >>> iPhones or iDevices of 8 or 16 GB. >>> What could happen if you use the property of Bill Gates to store your >>> things, without his agreement? >>> What could happen to you, if you place a car in the Bill gates parking >>> lot, in his little home in Washington State? >>> For sure he has a big parking lot, for sure he has a lot of properties. >>> Now, because of that he should feel that you did is not a illegal >>> action? >>> For sure he will take legal actions against you. In the laws of United >>> States, the property right is one of the fundamentals right in our >>> constitution, and it is a right in the most countries on the world. >>> What apple is doing, is using the resources of our devices, downloading >>> bunches of data, storing it in the memory of our devices, without our >>> agreement. No body can use your property without your agreement. More >>> over, is no way to remove the data that apple stored in our devices, >>> unless we install the operated system. >>> Try to place a car in the Bill Gate parking lot, and keep it there until >>> Bill Gates buy your car. Tell Bill Gates that you will not remove your >>> car of his parking lot, until he pay you for that car, and tell me what >>> happen. >>> The law should be apply for every body, not just with the people who is >>> not rich. The law is also for the people who is braking rights, not >>> matter if they are apple, Bill Gates or Chris. >>> So, the problem here is not if our iDevices are of 8 or 64Gb. The point >>> here is that apple is violating a right of property, and not providing a >>> solution for the people who doesn't want to install IOs what ever >>> version they release. When I say it, I mean, not providing a way to >>> remove the data stored in the iDevices. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris H" <christopher...@gmail.com> >>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 3:09 AM >>> Subject: Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates >>> >>> >>> Hope this goes well, but I still believe in the notion that one is not >>> actually forced into the update; they are just forced to have it >>> downloaded to their device and take, to some, a considerable amount of >>> space on their device. I can understand this being an issue for 8 GB and >>> 16 GB devices, but for the rest of you, deal with it and maybe you will >>> install it in your own time. Remember, the update is only downloaded, >>> not installed, to one's device, since one have to agree to the terms of >>> conditions not once, but twice. If the update got installed >>> automatically, then yes I would support the man suing Tim Cook. But not >>> sure on this case. >>> >>> E-mail Facebook and iMessage >>> christopher...@gmail.com >>> >>> On 19/10/2013 06:57, Jonathan Mosen wrote: >>>> Given the extensive discussion here about Apple downloading automatic >>>> updates to devices, I thought some might be interested to know that a >>>> number of news outlets are reporting that a California man is taking >>>> Tim Cook to Small Claims Court over this issue. He's asking for $50 in >>>> compensation and for Apple to address the issue, so he's obviously not >>>> doing this to get rich. >>>> It will be very interesting to see where this goes. >>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>> Mosen Consulting >>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>> http://Mosen.org >>>> >>> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. 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