Andy, Sounds to me more like buying a car and having to buy gas/fuel to run it which last time I checked was not included in the purchase price of the car nor were oil changes, new tires and regular maintenance. In any case, I think the comparisons have been exhausted and what remains is the fact that those who want Tap Tap See seem to be happy to pay for the service so it can continue and those who don't want to pay which it seems you are part of will just have to find other still free options.
Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 2:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee The app is free, but you can't do anything with it unless you pay? Sounds like buying a car and being told that you have to pay extra for the engine, wheels and tires. But that seems to be the trend, as many developers are doing this, i. e. the Seeing Eye GPS app, and the various sports apps such as MLB At bat, NFL Audio Pass, and NBA Game Time. Andy -----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:41 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee Hi Carol, No, the app continues to be free, but you pay for using the service. You really have to think of this as a service not an app because all the app does is to provide an interface for taking the picture and passing it on to Tap Tap See's servers. Here the picture is now recognized, quite often by a real person who gets paid for providing the description, then the result is sent back to your phone where it is announced and displayed in the app. Tap Tap See has been paying for this and they tried to fund this from maybe other revenues they received, but it came to a point where they either had to start charging or shut the service down completely. If you use Tap Tap See only occasionally you are better off buying their 100 picture package for $7.99. You basically pay 8 Cents for each picture you send and receive a reply/description. If you use Tap Tap See a whole lot you can pay a monthly flat rate of $9.99 for unlimited use which means you pay $9.99 whether you take no pictures or 1,000 pictures. The math is easy. At 8 Cents a picture, 125 pictures would cost you $10 which is the cost for the monthly subscription. If you take less than 125 pictures a month you are better off paying for actual use and to buy the 100 picture pack. The other good thing is of course that the 100 pictures won't go away, if you only take 2 one month and 20 the next then you still have 78 left and if you never took another picture for the next 3 months then after 5 months you still had 78 pictures. If you pay $9.99 then you can take unlimited pictures for the next 30 days, but if you only used 50, you could have done so for a lot less. Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Forrester Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee can someone explain this when it says to buy credits, what does this actually mean is it not an outright price for the app? Carol On 11 Nov 2013, at 04:37, Wayne gmail <ewaynebrum...@gmail.com> wrote: > If a developer waited until the app was perfect in the mind of every > customer before releasing it, we would have no apps. In this case the > app was free for a year and everyone had a great opportunity to decide > if it is > acceptable or not. Now the customer has to decide if it is worth the money > to him or her. Should really does not really enter it. We've seen > it, know > how it works and should decide individually if that is how we choose > to spend our money. Quietly decide I hope. Thanks. > > Wayne > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers > responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee > > Cara I am not saying that the developer shouldn't provide suggestions > on how > to take pictures or in general use their product. However, they should > not be held responsible if I am not able to interpret how to use the > product or > parts of the software. So in this vain they should not have to not > charge for a picture just because it is blurry or not centered enough > to be of any > use. > > On 11/10/13, TapTapSee <dmit...@taptapseeapp.com> wrote: >> Cara, >> >> Our technology involves computer vision and crowdsourcing. Also, we >> do not use volunteers. >> >> On another note, we are currently compiling a list of tips that we'll >> be adding to our website in the next week. This will be an ongoing >> effort to help those users that have difficulty taking pictures with their > iDevices. >> We believe that if we, as a community, all get together and share the >> best tips about taking picture, then we can have a very good resource >> for everyone. We believe that if we all come together to help each >> other understand the process of photography better, then everyone wins. >> >> Best Wishes, >> TapTapSee >> >> On Sunday, November 10, 2013 1:25:23 AM UTC-8, Cara wrote: >>> >>> HI John and All, >>> >>> While I have no problems with a subscription for this app, the idea >>> that charging the visually impaired based on their abilities to take >>> good pictures being not at all the developer's responsibility is not >>> quite accurate. >>> >>> As a developer who is involved with recognition apps myself, Even >>> though we do not have a pay model, like TapTapSee, we absolutely >>> take the idea of >>> >>> asking the blind / VI people to take their own images very, very >>> seriously. >>> >>> So in my opinion, yes, this is actually somewhat a developers >>> responsibility, especially if these images are a paid service and >>> that service depends on both the quality of said images which are >>> submitted, and also the information about those images which is >>> returned to the customer. >>> >>> >>> Again this is my own opinion and I do think TapTapSee is taking >>> steps to offer constructive tips and solutions for the population >>> benefited by this >>> >>> app to educate VI people in how to take better / more usable images. >>> I do >>> >>> think many suggestions offered here, in order to improve the user >>> experience, are very good. So it's my hope that TapTapSee will take >>> these >>> >>> to heart and implement them. I'm sure they will as they seem to be a >>> responsive and caring company as their dialogue here has shown. >>> >>> I'm assuming they will also begin offering a subscription model for >>> CamFind (which is also from the same company) as well which may also >>> offset the operating costs of TapTapSee so perhaps the new pay model >>> will be evolving over time to something that all of those who need >>> this app will find useful, convenient and affordable. >>> >>> I'd also like to include a link below to Amazon Mechanical Turk, >>> which offers a service for developers to access human capabilities >>> for just this >>> >>> type of recognition. Now I'm not saying that this is the exact >>> service that TapTapSee is offering but I am saying that this may >>> give many users here some idea of what is happening behind the >>> scenes to power this app so that >>> >>> you get your descriptions back from the images you send. I think >>> it's always a good idea to know what is happening with what products >>> you use so >>> >>> that you can be an educated consumer. This is especially important >>> for the >>> >>> visually impaired in my opinion, as the community has unfortunately >>> from time to time, seen both over and under inflated costs for >>> necessary services. I.E. either products or services being basically >>> handed out for >>> >>> nothing or way over-priced. >>> >>> Anyway, knowing about the products and services you need is very >>> easy currently so here now, is the link to Mechanical Turk, check it out! >>> :) >>> >>> Have an awesome night / weekend and linkie is below! >>> >>> Smiles, >>> >>> Cara :) >>> >>> http://aws.amazon.com/mturk/faqs/ >>> >>> >>> On Nov 9, 2013, at 9:01 PM, John Diakogeorgiou >>> <jdiako...@gmail.com<javascript:>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> It may be that it's harder for a blind person to take pictures but >>> that's not the developers problem. Whether we take a good picture or >>> not they still have to analyse it and give us feedback. And yes we >>> can over time learn how to take better pictures. We can learn for >>> example if we have the phone to close to the page, or if it's not >>> straight, etc. That can be done with a different package which >>> doesn't cost money. In fact with technology it has been proven that >>> yes we can even drive a car (probably better than some of the >>> sighted people out >>> there.) >>> >>> On 11/9/13, Andy Baracco <wq...@socal.rr.com <javascript:>> wrote: >>>> This comment is ridiculous. certainly anyone with a brain knows >>>> that a >>> blind >>>> person is at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to something >>>> like >>> taking >>>> pictures. Penalyzing a blind person for taking poor photos is like >>> asking a >>>> blind person to drive and penalyzing him for having a traffic accident. >>>> >>>> >>>> Andy >>>> >>>> From: David Chittenden >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:23 PM >>>> To: vip...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> >>>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee >>>> So, I am trying to understand your comment. >>>> >>>> If I interpret your argument correctly, you appear to be saying >>> TapTapSee >>>> should be responsible for the factors which make it more difficult >>>> for >>> you >>>> to take a good picture of the appropriate item. At no point during >>>> your >>>> >>>> argument do you acknowledge the fact that TapTapSee must spend the >>>> same >>>> >>>> resources to identify, or attempt identification, whether the >>>> picture is >>>> >>> the >>>> picture you intended or not. In fact, the images which are more >>> difficult to >>>> ascertain require more resources to be used, so your not-so-good >>> pictures >>>> actually cost the company more to process compared with your good, >>> precise >>>> pictures. >>>> >>>> Actually, TapTapSee is offering an unlimited package for $10 per month. >>>> >>> In >>>> other words, they are willing to be responsible for your errors at >>>> just >>>> >>> a >>>> small premium above the 100 picture package. >>>> >>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>> Email: dchit...@gmail.com <javascript:> >>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 10 Nov 2013, at 11:08, "Dawn Petty" >>>> <petty...@comcast.net<javascript:>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> the problem I have is I am physically disabled and sometimes my >>>> camera >>>> >>> is >>>> aiming at something else rather than the selected object. >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Bill Gallik >>>> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:37 PM >>>> To: vip...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> >>>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee >>>> >>>> Personally, I would much rather use DigitEyes for identifying >>>> specific, >>>> >>>> in-hand products. >>>> ---------------- >>>> Holland's Boy, Bill >>>> - "Ideas are the beginning points of all fortunes." >>>> - Napoleon Hill, American author in the area of the new thought >>> movement, >>>> 1883-1970 >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Alan Paganelli >>>> To: vip...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> >>>> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 12:50 PM >>>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee >>>> >>>> Ok here's my question. I may have to take several pictures >>>> moving >>> the >>>> iPhone forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili. >>> That's >>>> helpful but not very informative. If I under stand you then that >>>> would >>>> >>> be a >>>> successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in >>> reality, >>>> I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans. I don't have a >>>> problem paying. I'm not looking for something for nothing. I'm >>>> just concerned >>>> >>> that >>>> I get the information I need with out being over charged. With the >>> hundred >>>> picture plan at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten shots to get >>>> it >>> right, >>>> then it would cost me 80 cents just to find out what's inside that can. >>>> >>> The >>>> same thing with boxes etc. Box of cereal is not what I need to know. >>> Box >>>> of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is. >>>> ------- >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013! >>>> >>>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act >>> now!!!!! >>>> Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. >>>> >>>> Please click on: >>>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ >>>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances >>> played >>>> on >>>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format >>>> formerly >>>> >>> on >>>> my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: TapTapSee >>>> To: vip...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> >>>> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM >>>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee >>>> >>>> Paula, >>>> We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix >>>> it >>>> >>> to >>>> only count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that >>>> return an >>>> >>>> identification to your phone. >>>> >>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan > wrote: >>>> >>>> What about those pictures that come back as "failed"? I was >>> trying >>>> to get a picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had >>> timed >>>> out. There were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually >>>> got the >>>> >>>> picture of the shirt logo which was what I was looking for. Would >>>> I be >>>> >>>> charged for the failed pix if I use the 100 picture plan? >>>> >>>> God bless! >>>> >>>> Paula and Babe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: vip...@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] >>> On >>>> Behalf Of TapTapSee >>>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:46 PM >>>> To: vip...@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Donna, >>>> >>>> It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. >>>> 7th to >>>> >>>> Dec. 6th. Then when you attempt to take another picture after those >>> dates a >>>> message for subscription will appear. >>>> >>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go >>>> from >>> the >>>> date of purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. >>> 6th? >>>> Or from the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. >>>> >>> 1st >>>> to Nov. 30rd? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Donna >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello Debbie, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This is something someone else suggested today as well. It >>>> is definitely something that we'll look into for a future update. >>>> Thank you >>>> >>> for >>>> the suggestion! >>>> >>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that >>>> is accessible to let you know how many pictures you have left if >>>> you >>> purchase >>>> the 100 picture package? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Debbie >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> --- >>>> >>>> From: vip...@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] >>>> >>> On >>>> Behalf Of TapTapSee >>>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM >>>> To: vip...@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee >>>> >>>> No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is >>>> good until you run out of the 100 pictures. >>>> >>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, >>>> Kramlinger, >>> Keith >>>> G., M.D. wrote: >>>> >>>> Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration >>> date? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: vip...@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] >>>> >>> On >>>> Behalf Of TapTapSee >>>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM >>>> To: vip...@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced >>>> to change TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will >>>> continue to >>>> >>>> improve our service in order to provide you with the high quality >>>> tags >>> that >>>> you've come to love and expect. The TapTapSee team is committed to >>> improving >>>> the app based on the customer feedback and suggestions. In the next >>>> few >>>> >>> days >>>> a message will pop up on the app that will present you with two option. >>>> >>>> Option 1) 100 Picture Pack for $7.99. Option 2) 1 Month of >>>> Unlimited Pictures for $9.99. The purchase is done through your >>>> Apple iTunes >>> account. >>>> >>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:57:53 AM UTC-8, >>>> rubyalphonse >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all, I am getting the message to purchase creditI was >>>> happy >>>> >>> to >>>> have this App, I will miss it very badlyI know, but, I feel if I >>>> have to >>>> >>>> subscribe, I think of not using TapTapSee. But I'm very upset about >>> this. >>>> Why sudden change I wonder. 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