I have a feeling that if Jonathon offering this book for free, Joseph F will have totally different take on the book. Joseph, your first email was clearly personal atact on whoever that write this kind of training material. It is not personally towards Jonathon perhaps, but it is all the same.
I'm not one who fancy manual, but i do see it's place for training manuals and guides. You are not say as much, but to dismiss the important of manuals and guides is like to asking a psychologist not to use DSM as a guide, and rely on their friends and mailling lists telling them things they need or, no need to know. Personally, i've not read the IOS7 without the Eye, or any of Mosen's books so i can't comment how useful, or not useful it is towards my personal and professional use of IOS. However, i do encourage others to get them, if they think they need some resource that they can rely on off the net. I'm sure this list, as well as some other list and applevis will come very handy on the release of ios8, but, not all people on this list have the same technical knowledge and skills to adapt for change, or embrace change. And, you do get some mix message as to how good and bad the new ios can be, from personal bias or experience, or lack of experience in some cases from the list.Just like, some people still hang on tight to ios4, or even 5. And even if Jonathon make money from the books, so what? It is a well earn money, and people paying for it because they believe he has things to say. On 29/07/2014, Joseph FreeTech <joseph.freet...@gmail.com> wrote: > Jonathan, don't frame my previous post as a personal attack. Most on these > list probably have no clue in terms of how people more clever than they are > > manipulating them. I posted a general opinion that does not pertain > specifically to you but just so happens to include you in this case. There > are many assistive technology teachers, trainers, and consultants or > whatever they are now calling themselves who spend a great deal of time on > these lists but contribute next to nothing when it comes to actually helping > > others. It isn't until their next money making scheme is released when they > > pop out of the dirt and start with the written smiles and happy talk about > how much they've helped the blind community. I'm simply a bit upset at the > fact that most of these people are nowhere to be found when John or Jane are > > struggling with an issue. I, and many other listers who are not finding the > > problems in the blindness community as dollar signs in our eyes do most of > the heavy lifting. Don't forget that you too benefit from the generosity of > > contributors to this list as your knowledge increases by each of our posts, > > and guess what, we are helping you for free. The goal on this list is > knowledge and spreading knowledge and not shameless self promotion. I just > hope everyone takes my word as what it is, frustration from someone who has > > spent a great deal of time calling all over the world and donating hours at > > a time to help fellow blind computer users whether on the phone, Skype or > via email. > > Joseph > > PS: for those who haven't caught on, again, in the message below, Jonathan > is manipulating your emotions as he describes his benevolent reasoning > behind his desired to help you all, but remember, his help to the blind > community always comes with a price tag. He and other trainers already have > > all the knowledge to help others for free on these lists, but they never do > > without the exchange of your Paypal info. You tell me if his post below > doesn't read as an advertisement. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jonathan Mosen" <jmo...@mosen.org> > To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:55 AM > Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye > > > Hi everyone, I'm conscious that both our moderators are probably sleeping > right now, and having moderated email lists over many years, I know what an > > unpleasant feeling it is to wake up to a list that's gone off the rails. So > > in an attempt to prevent that from happening, I thought I would add a few > comments. It's not my intension to respond to personal attacks, however > there are some substantive issues that may be helpful. > First, my book, "iOS 8 Without the Eye" is by no means the only game in town > > for getting information about iOS 8 when it comes out. An excellent free > source of information will be Applevis, a site of which I am a huge fan. You > > can be sure that free resources from there will include blog posts and > podcasts. There are sure to be other places as well. > I wrote iOS 7 Without the Eye last year because I got feedback that there > was a need for it. As some of you may know, I've produced literally hundreds > > of hours at least of audio tutorials on a wide range of subjects, a few of > which are in fact on Applevis. I also continue to get very kind feedback > about the FSCasts I have done over the years on iTunes. Many people like to > > be talked through an application or operating system, hearing what the > speech is doing. People who learn best this way are big fans of podcasts, if > > they're produced well. > Equally, I hear from people who say that they prefer to learn from a book. > I've done a few audio presentations since starting Mosen Consulting, but > books like Tweeting Blind and the iOS without the Eye series have been well > > received because they're in writing. > So rather than do an audio version of iOS 8 Without the Eye, I decided that > > audio was well covered and that I'd focus on text. > Yes, you'll be able to get textual help via a range of sources, and some > people will be happy installing the OS and discovering things for > themselves, sharing their discoveries on a range of forums. But last year, > we sold thousands of copies of the book. What that showed me was that some > people prefer to have a coherent, consistent, comprehensive guide, written > by a technical writer who can explain the concepts. The book is a work in > progress right now, but already we're hitting the 25,000 word mark, about 63 > > pages in Microsoft Word and growing. It has been peer reviewed by a number > of fellow testers, to make sure that I'm explaining things clearly enough, > and that I've not left things out. It has already had its first draft sent > to a copy editor, who has gone through it meticulously for readability and > other factors. > Each chapter has been carefully crafted, tweaked, and tweaked some more. > That will continue to happen right up until iOS 8 release day. > So I don't claim to have a monopoly on this knowledge. What I can promise > you is that I've put many hours into writing all this up, explaining it as > clearly as possible, and making sure it all jells. That will be worth 20 > bucks to some of you, and it won't to others of you. That's the market for > you. If there's no longer a need for the book, no one will buy it, and that > > will tell me whether I should do it again for iOS 9. All I have to serve as > > a guide about the need is the thousands that were bought last year. > This list is a microcosm of the entire blind iPhone using community. Some > people are experts, some are still struggling with the iPhone and find the > prospect of a bunch of new and changed features daunting. Many experts will > > want this book because they'd prefer to invest in a tool that gets them > going quickly, others will think it's a waste of their money. Many novice > users, I suspect, will be glad to have someone they may know from elsewhere > > helping them through some new things. > So if it helps you, consider the book. If it doesn't, please enjoy and > support the many great contributors to our community, for which I'm sure > many of us are grateful. And in fact, there's really no reason not to do > both of those things if both options will be helpful to you. > Thanks everyone. > Jonathan Mosen > Mosen Consulting > Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training > http://Mosen.org > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. > > All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any > questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a > > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators > directly rather than posting on the list itself. 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