Let's show the same level of compassion toward others that we would like to receive. That's something you cannot learn from an iPhone.
Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5s! > On Jul 29, 2014, at 10:07 AM, "Flor Lynch" <florl...@iol.ie> wrote: > > Well said, Christopher. Also, different people certainly have different > learning styles, as Jonathan said. And people's patience and frustration > levels with a new tool, such as iOS8 will be, also vary. Lists can only get > you so far; and one often finds more negative messages about things wrong > than messages about things right. yet the fact is that someone's 'major bug' > often will be another's minor irritant - if even that. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain" <chalt...@gmail.com> > To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 10:10 AM > Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye > > > I agree with Jerry here, but I'll let the list moderators deal with the > rudeness on the list. > > It is true that a lot of information will show up on this list, and even > more information will be made freely available via podcasts on places > like AppleVis.com. There are some people though who would like a well > written and well organized introduction into the new features of IOS 8. > It's much more efficient to go through such a book then it is to slog > through all of the questions and answers that will show up on this list. > It'll be a high traffic list when IOS 8 comes out, many questions will > be repeated, opinions will be stated, subject lines won't be updated, > threads will be hijacked and although it'll be a great resource, it > could be a pretty tedious way to find the few nuggets of new information > someone is particularly looking for in IOS 8. > > Jonathan has freely contributed a lot of information to the blindness > community over the years, and I know I've learned a lot from his posts, > his podcasts and his blog articles. I don't have a problem with someone > putting his time and effort into writing a good resource for the blind > and then putting it up for sale. I doubt anyone is going to get rich > writing a book for the blind IOS user. If it's a good resource, and > people are willing to pay for it, then it'll be successful and a useful > tool for those who want to get that information in that format. Not > everyone learns and picks up things in the same way so the more choices > the better. I'm sure there are books for the sighted IOS user, so I see > it as a good thing that we in the blindness community have the same type > of choices. > > I know Jonathan is a professional who's been working in the blindness > field for a while, so I'm assuming he will take the high road and not > respond in kind to the post Jerry is referring to below. This is a > public list, and none of us get to choose who is and is not on the list. > We won't like every opinion that's expressed here, so hopefully everyone > will consider the source and let a member express their opinion without > it devolving into a flame war. > > On 07/29/2014 01:18 AM, Jerry Mader wrote: >>> I am not trying to start a flame war here but I have to put my opinion in >>> on this matter. I think that it is very rude what Joseph had said. I don't >>> think that Jonathan is trying to make money off of us I think he's just >>> trying to sell a book. You don't have to buy that book if you so desire sir >>> but there may be other people who do. I wish that people wouldn't make such >>> disrespectful comments. Because technically, we are very lucky to have this >>> book! Do you know of any other place we can get this information besides >>> this list and Jonathan's book? You tell me where to go? And I will go look. >>> But I don't believe there is any other place. Jonathan has spent countless >>> hours probably, researching all of this information to bring it to us in a >>> straight forward way. Why disrespect the guy by saying what you did. That >>> was not right. However you have your opinion I have mine. I'm just stating >>> mine. I did not mean to start any trouble I was just saying what I felt. >>> And I will be one who buys > this book. It is only $20. That is not that expensive! It really isn't. Think > about this would you rather spend $20 on something you can use, or spend $20 > and something that you may never use? I've known things that people spend at > least $20 on, that they never use. That I've known things like this book, > that people spend money on and do use every day. Just thought I would throw > my two cents in. Jerry Mader > > -- > Christopher (CJ) > chaltain at Gmail > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. > All new members to the this list are moderated by default. 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