Krister your first point is one which I didn't think about and is very valid.
On 9/18/14, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote: > Hi, > You want to know the reason why i avoid using blind specific apps as far as > i possibly can? > 1: Blindness specific apps send a signal to developers that they need not > bother to put accessibility into main stream apps, because a solution exists > that blind are going to prefer anyway. > 2: As someone stated earlier, blind specific apps tend not to be updated > past the first version and the first bug fix release, then they get > forgotten. > 3: Some, *not all* but some developers tend to oversimplify and exclude > features even down to a basic level and to me at least it is like they're > saying that blind folks can't chew chewing gum and walk at the same time, > that in my not so humble opinion is an insult of my inteligence. I'm not > saying we should have bells and whistles by the score and just because they > can, but if one makes, say a calendar, something that already exists and is > accessible don't omit features that are basic. Now let me say this once > again, not all developers do this but i've seen those who do. Let's also be > clear on one more point, there are apps that are really needed, like screen > readers, money identifiers, some apps that adds extra gps info to standard > gps apps etc but there are other apps that reinvent the wheel but more over > simplified, like certain calendars, calculators and the like. > Just my 0.02. > /Krister > >> 18 sep 2014 kl. 15:20 skrev John Diakogeorgiou <jdiakoge2...@gmail.com>: >> >> Charles I am one of those who would prefer to use a mainstream app if >> it exists. The reasons for this are that they are sometimes updated >> more frequently and that they are generally less expensive. The KNFB >> reader and the GPS apps are both good examples of how expensive apps >> are. I understand the reasons for this and don't want to get into a >> huge debate. I am just expressing my reasons for preferring off the >> shelf apps. >> >> On 9/18/14, Rose Combs <roseco...@q.com <mailto:roseco...@q.com>> wrote: >>> I have to agree here, I don't care if it is mainstream or blind specific >>> if >>> it does what I need it to do. If the app works on my phone, if it does >>> something I need or want I don't even truly notice who made it or why. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Charles Rivard >>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:15 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: blind specific versus mainstream - Re: touch typing with ios8 >>> >>> >>> >>> I don't understand why people seem to be against using apps and products >>> that are blind specific. It seems like people avoid them like the >>> plague, >>> and, in a lot of instances, you're not getting full advantage of your >>> device, such as an iPhone. Some mainstream apps just don't work as well >>> for >>> a blind user. >>> >>> >>> --- >>> Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're >>> finished, >>> you! really! are! finished! >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: Krister Ekstrom <mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com >>> <mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com>> >>> >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 3:26 AM >>> >>> Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8 >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have tried the direct typing method, and i don't know what i think >>> about >>> it really. I have now installed Fleksy something i thought i would never >>> do >>> given that it was designed as a blind specific product in the first >>> place, >>> but now when it's actually available in Swedish i can experience for >>> myself >>> how powerful it really is. But that's also just an option amongst >>> others. >>> >>> /Krister >>> >>> >>> >>> 18 sep 2014 kl. 01:47 skrev Jenny Wood <kc5...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:kc5...@gmail.com>>: >>> >>> >>> >>> Actually, you might be surprised. What's useless for one may be the >>> next >>> best thing for another. Personally, I am rather excited about the >>> direct >>> touch typing feature. While I made quite a few mistakes within the >>> first >>> three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked >>> up >>> dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial >>> orientation come more naturally, it's a pretty neat option. But it's >>> just >>> that, an option, and personally, I applaud Apple for giving us more of >>> them. >>> :-) >>> >>> >>> >>> Jenny >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca >>> <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit >>> the >>> letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to >>> type >>> rather than just lifting your finger. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> viphone@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>[ >>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> >>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On >>> Behalf >>> OfRobert Doc Wright >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:51 PM >>> To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> >>> viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8 >>> >>> I'm curious about direct touch typing. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: <mailto:jennie.fa...@gmail.com <mailto:jennie.fa...@gmail.com>> >>> Jennie Facer >>> >>> To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> >>> viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 3:31 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8 >>> >>> What is the interactive notifications all about? >>> >>> Thank you so much! >>> >>> Jen >>> >>> >>> TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMENE YOU ARE THE WORLD! >>> >>> >>> On Sep 17, 2014, at 3:29 PM, Chuck Dean < <mailto:chuckd...@icloud.com >>> <mailto:chuckd...@icloud.com>> >>> chuckd...@icloud.com <mailto:chuckd...@icloud.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with >>> the >>> rotor. >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:24:05 PM UTC-7, Jed Barton wrote: >>> >>> Hey guys, >>> I got ios8 installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any >>> more. 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