All this for one failure? How dependable has Apple been in the past? Have they fixed problems? Maybe you can still go back to 7.1.2 using the instructions found in previous posts to the list, and then upgrade after some of the bugs have been exterminated. Just a thought.

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Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Fischler" <brianfisch...@me.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:49 PM
Subject: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver


I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as for the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out while tapping the screen at the same time a push notification comes through. VoiceOVer just dies and if I press the home button and tell Siri to tell Siri to turn VO on Siri tells me VO is already on. Ok, really then why am I hearing nothing but clicks. Then I go to press the power on/off button and the home button to restart the phone and now that doesn't work as I hear the photo being taken sound. Really impressive job with IOS8 Apple. I'm sorry but this IOS 8 release with all of its bugs is total crap and a really piss poor job by Apple for the blind community. If you haven't upgraded yet don't until 8.1 and that is if Apple can be bothered to actually make some VO changes in that one as it is obvious there engineers are more focused on other areas and VoiceOver is at the bottom of the food chain. Time to start at least listening to what Droid is doing, never thought I would say that having been on the iPhone since the 3GS and completely shifting all my products to Apple, but this release and the 35 or so VO bugs is making me start to think maybe Apple isn't the answer.

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