Thank you for bringing us up to date. I hope Ray Kurzweil goes on to accomplish many more things.
On 9/23/14, Gail the U. S. Male <gailcrowe1...@gmail.com> wrote: > yes, it was totally amazing! at the time, Ray envisioned something about > the size of a briefcase. Ray has been a wonderful friend to the blind, and > will continue to be, as long as he lives, which I hope is a really long time > > yet. Ray also hopes this. He wants to live to be 150 years old. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marianne Denning" <maria...@denningweb.com> > To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:51 AM > Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions > > > Ray Kurzweil has not been involved in the Kurzweil company for many > years and I don't believe Kurzweil Educational Systems had anything to > do with the development of the KNFB Reader. NFB provided significant > funding for the original Kurzweil machine back in the 1970s. We have > come a long way since it was a free standing machine that cost $50,000 > and all it would do is read scanned documents. Now it is a $100.00 > app on your IPhone. > > On 9/22/14, Husna Begum <h.begu...@btinternet.com> wrote: >> hi, >> >> has knfb reader been developed by kurzweil? i used to use kurzweil when i >> needed to scan books for university and it was quite good. >> >> Husna >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: RobH. >> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:44 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions >> >> Hummmnmnm,.... the logic of it threw me too, so are we to understand >> the >> app can't learn to rotate and process the image the other way? I know >> some >> of the smarter pc based reader apps did this. >> >> Kertsweil springs to mind. >> >> Getting range or distence right would help too; wonder if they recommend >> a >> viewing distence for this? >> >> Those scanning boxes have their uses then, though not a portable >> solution. >> >> Rh. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kayaker" <sea...@me.com> >> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:48 PM >> Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions >> >> >> Hi, >> >> I'm no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying >> that >> taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait >> improves >> results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the >> order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to >> meaningless >> background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape >> >> I don't buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue. >> Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels. >> >> >> --k >> Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the >> questions. >> >> >> >> On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote: >> >>> There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better >>> results. >>> I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille >>> Press. it does a great job of helping a blind person understand >>> photography. >>> Jonathan Mosen >>> Mosen Consulting >>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>> http://Mosen.org >>> >>>> On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of >>>> the >>>> document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they've been >>>> thinking there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold >>>> the phone with the camera pointing to the top of the document but >>>> rather >>>> as if i had it in landscape mode? >>>> /Krister >>>> >>>>> 18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org>: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're >>>>> doing, but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the >>>>> phone lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting >>>>> a >>>>> page of text on a table, like I would be reading it in Braille or >>>>> visually. Then hold the phone sideways a few centimetres above the >>>>> page. >>>>> Use the vibration feedback so that the phone stops vibrating, >>>>> indicating >>>>> you have the angle right, then take the picture. For further feedback >>>>> before you take the picture, you might use the field of view report, >>>>> particularly in the early stages. >>>>> Good luck. This thing really rocks so stick with it. >>>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>>> Mosen Consulting >>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>>> http://Mosen.org >>>>> >>>>>> On 19/09/2014, at 3:53 am, Krister Ekstrom >>>>>> <kris...@kristersplace.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of >>>>>> gibberish and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique >>>>>> for >>>>>> this? Does the reader give some kind of feedback when all text's >>>>>> detected? Anyways now i know that it's me and not the app that's >>>>>> stupid.:-) >>>>>> /Krister >>>>>> >>>>>>> 18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell <ubupanora...@icloud.com>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it >>>>>>> really >>>>>>> is pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small >>>>>>> bread mix bag where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a >>>>>>> beige >>>>>>> background. The results were very quick and about 95% accurate! >>>>>>> Harry >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece <ajv...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Eileen; >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If and, when I do, I'let everyone know. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sentence from my AT&T iPhone 5s! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi >>>>>>>> <eileen.misr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello Jonathan, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this >>>>>>>>> time, >>>>>>>>> I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which >>>>>>>>> iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For >>>>>>>>> those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either >>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>> iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed >>>>>>>>> the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. >>>>>>>>> ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was >>>>>>>>> with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks so much for your first impressions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>> Eileen >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G >>>>>>>>> <theblindman...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It is now available on the app store to download. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, Feliciano >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Like my Facebook page: >>>>>>>>>> https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 >>>>>>>>>> Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from the Super-iPhone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, "BrianMiller" >>>>>>>>>> <brianrmille...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jonathan, >>>>>>>>>>> So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you >>>>>>>>>>> just holding the phone over the page or item? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Brian M >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] >>>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM >>>>>>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on >>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>> iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. >>>>>>>>>>> I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even >>>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>>> it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly >>>>>>>>>>> well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to >>>>>>>>>>> line >>>>>>>>>>> up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of >>>>>>>>>>> view report if you need to for even more information about >>>>>>>>>>> camera >>>>>>>>>>> positioning and angle. >>>>>>>>>>> And, it's fast. 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