There is total sales in dollars and by unit. Which are we talking about
here?
Thanks.
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From: "Christopher Chaltain" <chalt...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [New post] 'Shockingly bad' Google Android 5.0 Lollipop update
bricks phones, tablets; kills apps
One of the pages where IDC shows smart phone market share year to year
going back to 2011 is
http://www.idc.com/prodserv/smartphone-market-share.jsp It does show
market share for Samsung slipping and being taken up by other Android
competitors. This data is three or four months old, so I wouldn't be
surprise if Samsung market share has slipped a bit more to LG and HTC.
It also doesn't take into account yet the iPhone 6, so again I wouldn't
be surprised if Apple has picked up a few points recently.
On 11/21/2014 10:00 PM, John Panarese wrote:
Unfortunately, I'm getting on a plane to Buffalo first thing tomorrow,
so I don't have time to respond in depth. The point about the cheaper
phones was actually the one I was trying to make as far as longevity of
the product and why the manufacturers want you to buy or will give the
cheaper devices for free. It also ties into market share because Apple is
one of the few companies that only counts sold products as sales numbers.
Samsung and many other companies count items shipped as sales totals.
There is a big difference in the numbers shipped to stores and the product
actually sold to end users. Ask Microsoft about the Zune ... Include the
freebies and the Android market is rather distorted overall.
Lastly, I'm not sure what numbers you are reading, but Apple has been
gaining overall market share in the handset arena, especially overseas,
while Samsung is actually losing. In fact, they are now being out sold by
another company in their own country. There last couple of devices have
been busts. Sorry, but I can't go digging for numbers and stats at the
moment. I'm out of here until after turkey day.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Director
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On Nov 21, 2014, at 9:31 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I agree with what you're saying on balance, but I do have a few comments
on some of your information.
Android will run on much lower end phones than your iPhone, and
manufacturers are producing very cheal and low end smart phones running
Android. These are the phones that are being given away for free and
these are the phones that are being returned. You get what you pay for,
and being able to offer low end smart phones to people who can't afford
Apple products is a good thing. You can't compare these phones to the
high end Android phones or the iPhone though.
I'm also not sure about your statement that Apple is out selling all
other devices out there. According to IDC, Samsung has had a larger share
of the smart phone market than Apple since 2011. This coincides with when
Tim Cook took over, so I'm not sure what marketing data you're referring
to when you say that it proves that Tim Cook isn't leading Apple down the
path to destruction. BTW, I don't think Tim Cook is spear heading the
demise of Apple. Obviously, the fact that Apple doesn't play in the low
end space and didn't embrace larger phones until recently were decisions
that were made long before Tim Cook took over.
Actually, I don't think things are spinning out of control at Apple at
all. I think it's a lot of hype generated by the media and bloggers,
although I do think Apple should have embrace more form factors,
including a larger screen size earlier. I also think breaking into the
low end market would be a good move for Apple, but they'd have to do it
without soiling Apple's image of putting out high end quality devices. Of
course, there are much smarter people at Apple looking at these things,
and who am I to second guess one of the wealthiest and most successful
companies ever.
On 11/21/2014 08:43 AM, John Panarese wrote:
No, actually that is not my "problem" with Android. If you have used
technology solutions for as many years as I have, you understand and
expect that no solution is the same. I don't expect iOS to behave the
same as Android or vice versa in the same way I never expected Mac OS to
behave like Windows. There is no one size fits all solution when it
comes to accessibility and I think most iOS users realize that. They
choose iOS because it is easy to use and its progressing and despite its
bugs, it still gives us just about the same access as our sighted
friends and family with little fuss or concern over what particular
device can run what particular version of iOS. If I get an iPhone 5 or
5S or 6, I know it can run iOS 8. You cannot say the same for Android
devices. Good luck with that..
Android has several problems that go beyond accessibility. It's
not as stable as some would like it to be simply because of how overall
fractured it has become, especially over the last year alone. When you
have over six active versions of the software out there running on
dozens of types of different devices, this leads to a similar problem
that Windows has faced and has led to its decline. There are just too
many devices and versions of Android for developers to meet and support.
The most telling statistics I've read are that only 11 percent of
Android users are and, more importantly, Can run the latest version of
Android. So, realistically, even if we want to make the assertion that
Android accessibility will, some day, equal or surpass that of iOS, the
blind would have equal access to mobile devices, this wouldn't be true.
We'd actually be paying far more in the short and long term to keep up
with that technology than sticking with Apple simply because we couldn't
k
eep that current access for long on our device.
The other 800 pound gorilla in the Android room has to do with the
hardware manufacturers themselves. Frankly, they don't want you to have
the latest and greatest software for long. Of course, Apple wants you
to buy the latest iDevice version as well, but the Android world has
taken this marketing methodology several steps beyond Apple. Simply
addressed, your Android device you buy today will not be able to upgrade
to the latest version of Android within six months. There are so many
manufacturers of Android devices out there right now that they are
clawing and struggling for business. This is why you have all these
offers of free Android devices if you sign up for this contract or that
contract and why you hear dozens of different advertisements each month
for all these different Android devices Verizon or AT&T are trying to
sell you. Of course, this also then indicates why Android devices are
returned for repair something like 50 times more per user than Apple
devices
.
It's also why, by themselves, Apple is out selling all of these Android
devices that are out there.
Now, I know the automatic reaction that some are going to fling
back at me is that I'm just bashing Android and are going to counter
with whatever data they want. This is all, however, marketing facts
that you can discern by spending some time reading articles and talking
to people in the handset business who work for AT&T, Verizon, and the
others. It's all a money game and there is a great deal of money out
there. The mobile devices market has become one of the largest for
companies, and it's only going to get bigger. For the person who said
something about the Apple Watch being a "dumb" product, well, remember
that Steve Balmer once claimed the iPhone would never sell and there
were those who first called the iPad the, "Maxi Pad".
The problem that Apple faces is what happens to any company or
sports team that reaches the top. You then become the target for any
and all criticism and you are placed under the microscope by the media
on a daily basis. Every new Apple device inevitably faces the usual FUD
rumors of blowing up, breaking and causing other horrible things to
users in which we eventually discover that the stories turn out to be
either completely false or, at the very least, highly exaggerated. It's
the nature of the beast though. Microsoft was treated like this for
several years, but, unfortunately for them, they had Steve Balmer to
lead them down a path of destruction without the help of the media.
Despite what some think, Tim Cook is not leading Apple down a similar
road. In fact, the marketing data firmly indicates the opposite since
he took over in 2011.
The reality is competition is what drives advancement and
improvements. So, I personally want Android and Windows Phone to be
options and to light continuous fires under Apple to keep moving
forward. The more choices we, as the blind have, the better. Whatever
solution works for you and gets the job done, stick with it and support
it. That's what has enabled us to reach this point in access to
technology, folks.
However, at the same time, for me, I like to be using the best
that is available and stick with the option that is going to be stable
and progressive for years to come. The way Android is perpetuating
itself downward simply because of its marketing methodology, I don't see
it being a viable option for myself. It needs to steer away from the
course Microsoft took with Windows. Look at the amount of malware and
viruses on Android devices out there. I've read estimates of over 60
percent of Android users having malware and not even being aware of it
because they simply don't know or don't realize their phone or tablet
can have such problems. I don't want to buy or add antivirus software to
my mobile device and deal with all of that nonsense personally and I
don't want to have to jump through hoops on my specific hardware choice
to get my accessibility to work simply because I didn't buy a Google
phone and chose something different.
Based on what I know about Apple's internal mindset and focus on
accessibility, I'll stick with iOS until I find myself believing there
is something out there better for the long term. You have no idea what
is going on internally with Apple, but as a person who has been blind
his whole life and who has made technology the center of his life, I'm
very satisfied with what is to come. It might not come overnight, but
Mr. Cook has a far more bigger interest in accessibility than some are
assuming they know.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
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On Nov 21, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Debbie Palmer
<wadham.ho...@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi
I'm an android user and I am totally blind and I, not being a
particularly
tetchy person don't have any problems at all using the android
platform. I
think the problem is that a lot of Apple users who look at the android
platform think it should work in the same way but its completely
different.
The thing is that there's a choice out there and those of us who choose
the
android platform shouldn't be slagged off so lets just accept that
there are
two very stable platforms out there and accept it.
Debbie
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