The statistics I'm referring to are by units shipped, as explained on
the page I provided a link to.
On 11/23/2014 03:03 AM, Gary Petraccaro wrote:
There is total sales in dollars and by unit. Which are we talking about
here?
Thanks.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain"
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To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [New post] 'Shockingly bad' Google Android 5.0 Lollipop
update bricks phones, tablets; kills apps
One of the pages where IDC shows smart phone market share year to year
going back to 2011 is
http://www.idc.com/prodserv/smartphone-market-share.jsp It does show
market share for Samsung slipping and being taken up by other Android
competitors. This data is three or four months old, so I wouldn't be
surprise if Samsung market share has slipped a bit more to LG and HTC.
It also doesn't take into account yet the iPhone 6, so again I wouldn't
be surprised if Apple has picked up a few points recently.
On 11/21/2014 10:00 PM, John Panarese wrote:
Unfortunately, I'm getting on a plane to Buffalo first thing
tomorrow, so I don't have time to respond in depth. The point about
the cheaper phones was actually the one I was trying to make as far as
longevity of the product and why the manufacturers want you to buy or
will give the cheaper devices for free. It also ties into market
share because Apple is one of the few companies that only counts sold
products as sales numbers. Samsung and many other companies count
items shipped as sales totals. There is a big difference in the
numbers shipped to stores and the product actually sold to end users.
Ask Microsoft about the Zune ... Include the freebies and the Android
market is rather distorted overall.
Lastly, I'm not sure what numbers you are reading, but Apple has
been gaining overall market share in the handset arena, especially
overseas, while Samsung is actually losing. In fact, they are now
being out sold by another company in their own country. There last
couple of devices have been busts. Sorry, but I can't go digging for
numbers and stats at the moment. I'm out of here until after turkey day.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
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On Nov 21, 2014, at 9:31 PM, Christopher Chaltain
<chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with what you're saying on balance, but I do have a few
comments on some of your information.
Android will run on much lower end phones than your iPhone, and
manufacturers are producing very cheal and low end smart phones
running Android. These are the phones that are being given away for
free and these are the phones that are being returned. You get what
you pay for, and being able to offer low end smart phones to people
who can't afford Apple products is a good thing. You can't compare
these phones to the high end Android phones or the iPhone though.
I'm also not sure about your statement that Apple is out selling all
other devices out there. According to IDC, Samsung has had a larger
share of the smart phone market than Apple since 2011. This coincides
with when Tim Cook took over, so I'm not sure what marketing data
you're referring to when you say that it proves that Tim Cook isn't
leading Apple down the path to destruction. BTW, I don't think Tim
Cook is spear heading the demise of Apple. Obviously, the fact that
Apple doesn't play in the low end space and didn't embrace larger
phones until recently were decisions that were made long before Tim
Cook took over.
Actually, I don't think things are spinning out of control at Apple
at all. I think it's a lot of hype generated by the media and
bloggers, although I do think Apple should have embrace more form
factors, including a larger screen size earlier. I also think
breaking into the low end market would be a good move for Apple, but
they'd have to do it without soiling Apple's image of putting out
high end quality devices. Of course, there are much smarter people at
Apple looking at these things, and who am I to second guess one of
the wealthiest and most successful companies ever.
On 11/21/2014 08:43 AM, John Panarese wrote:
No, actually that is not my "problem" with Android. If you have
used technology solutions for as many years as I have, you
understand and expect that no solution is the same. I don't expect
iOS to behave the same as Android or vice versa in the same way I
never expected Mac OS to behave like Windows. There is no one size
fits all solution when it comes to accessibility and I think most
iOS users realize that. They choose iOS because it is easy to use
and its progressing and despite its bugs, it still gives us just
about the same access as our sighted friends and family with little
fuss or concern over what particular device can run what particular
version of iOS. If I get an iPhone 5 or 5S or 6, I know it can run
iOS 8. You cannot say the same for Android devices. Good luck with
that..
Android has several problems that go beyond accessibility.
It's not as stable as some would like it to be simply because of how
overall fractured it has become, especially over the last year
alone. When you have over six active versions of the software out
there running on dozens of types of different devices, this leads to
a similar problem that Windows has faced and has led to its
decline. There are just too many devices and versions of Android
for developers to meet and support. The most telling statistics I've
read are that only 11 percent of Android users are and, more
importantly, Can run the latest version of Android. So,
realistically, even if we want to make the assertion that Android
accessibility will, some day, equal or surpass that of iOS, the
blind would have equal access to mobile devices, this wouldn't be
true. We'd actually be paying far more in the short and long term to
keep up with that technology than sticking with Apple simply because
we couldn't
k
eep that current access for long on our device.
The other 800 pound gorilla in the Android room has to do with
the hardware manufacturers themselves. Frankly, they don't want you
to have the latest and greatest software for long. Of course, Apple
wants you to buy the latest iDevice version as well, but the Android
world has taken this marketing methodology several steps beyond
Apple. Simply addressed, your Android device you buy today will not
be able to upgrade to the latest version of Android within six
months. There are so many manufacturers of Android devices out
there right now that they are clawing and struggling for business.
This is why you have all these offers of free Android devices if you
sign up for this contract or that contract and why you hear dozens
of different advertisements each month for all these different
Android devices Verizon or AT&T are trying to sell you. Of course,
this also then indicates why Android devices are returned for repair
something like 50 times more per user than Apple devices
.
It's also why, by themselves, Apple is out selling all of these
Android devices that are out there.
Now, I know the automatic reaction that some are going to
fling back at me is that I'm just bashing Android and are going to
counter with whatever data they want. This is all, however,
marketing facts that you can discern by spending some time reading
articles and talking to people in the handset business who work for
AT&T, Verizon, and the others. It's all a money game and there is a
great deal of money out there. The mobile devices market has become
one of the largest for companies, and it's only going to get
bigger. For the person who said something about the Apple Watch
being a "dumb" product, well, remember that Steve Balmer once
claimed the iPhone would never sell and there were those who first
called the iPad the, "Maxi Pad".
The problem that Apple faces is what happens to any company or
sports team that reaches the top. You then become the target for
any and all criticism and you are placed under the microscope by the
media on a daily basis. Every new Apple device inevitably faces the
usual FUD rumors of blowing up, breaking and causing other horrible
things to users in which we eventually discover that the stories
turn out to be either completely false or, at the very least, highly
exaggerated. It's the nature of the beast though. Microsoft was
treated like this for several years, but, unfortunately for them,
they had Steve Balmer to lead them down a path of destruction
without the help of the media. Despite what some think, Tim Cook is
not leading Apple down a similar road. In fact, the marketing data
firmly indicates the opposite since he took over in 2011.
The reality is competition is what drives advancement and
improvements. So, I personally want Android and Windows Phone to be
options and to light continuous fires under Apple to keep moving
forward. The more choices we, as the blind have, the better.
Whatever solution works for you and gets the job done, stick with it
and support it. That's what has enabled us to reach this point in
access to technology, folks.
However, at the same time, for me, I like to be using the best
that is available and stick with the option that is going to be
stable and progressive for years to come. The way Android is
perpetuating itself downward simply because of its marketing
methodology, I don't see it being a viable option for myself. It
needs to steer away from the course Microsoft took with Windows.
Look at the amount of malware and viruses on Android devices out
there. I've read estimates of over 60 percent of Android users
having malware and not even being aware of it because they simply
don't know or don't realize their phone or tablet can have such
problems. I don't want to buy or add antivirus software to my mobile
device and deal with all of that nonsense personally and I don't
want to have to jump through hoops on my specific hardware choice to
get my accessibility to work simply because I didn't buy a Google
phone and chose something different.
Based on what I know about Apple's internal mindset and focus
on accessibility, I'll stick with iOS until I find myself believing
there is something out there better for the long term. You have no
idea what is going on internally with Apple, but as a person who has
been blind his whole life and who has made technology the center of
his life, I'm very satisfied with what is to come. It might not
come overnight, but Mr. Cook has a far more bigger interest in
accessibility than some are assuming they know.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
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Mountain Lion
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On Nov 21, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Debbie Palmer
<wadham.ho...@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi
I'm an android user and I am totally blind and I, not being a
particularly
tetchy person don't have any problems at all using the android
platform. I
think the problem is that a lot of Apple users who look at the android
platform think it should work in the same way but its completely
different.
The thing is that there's a choice out there and those of us who
choose the
android platform shouldn't be slagged off so lets just accept that
there are
two very stable platforms out there and accept it.
Debbie
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