At 13:22 28-03-2012, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote:
We actually tried doing that with a second projector in several working
groups for a period of a few years. It worked reasonably well for a
while, but we ultimately gave up, partly because the experiment was
getting too burdensome(*) but also because it wasn't causing people to
pay very much more attention to the jabber room than before.
I left out the burdensome points you mentioned. I don't think there
is a solution to all of them. I avoided mentioning a second
projector for cost and also as it's one more thing to focus
on. There is also the question of the jabber room conversation not
being a side meeting within the session.
Note that displaying Jabber only "during discussions" may not help,
because the majority of meeting time should be discussions, not
presentations, and I've found that the slides containing the most useful
content are ones used in aiding technical discussions.
To add to what you said, the Jabber display also depends on the size
of the session. Someone remote asks whether he counts. As the
answer can end up being problematic, I won't comment on that.
As a strawman's guideline, I'll suggest 13 minutes for Jabber
projection in a one hour session. If a slide is useful to aiding the
technical discussion, it takes precedence. It's possible to get a
sense of slide timing from http://www.ietf.org/jabber/logs/soc/2012-03-28.html
At 13:32 28-03-2012, Joel M. Halpern wrote:
I guess it depends upon whether you are holding discussion /
question on a slide-by-slide basis, or at the end of the presentation.
It strikes me that the best presentations ought to be provoking
comments on most slides.
And switching back and forth between the Jabber and the slide
strikes me as awkward and distracting.
Yes. I also left out that the jabber projection may not be visible
from the back of a room.
Melinda Shore outdid herself with
http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/wgchairs/wiki/RemoteParticipation
Regards,
-sm
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