> Adam Kennedy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I know I asked a more-specific question before, but to rephrase it...
> >
> > Is there ANY way to virtualise or emulate a VMS system on something
> > other than a VMS system?
> >
> > Preferably if at all something I can run on an open source
> > X86 operating system.
> >
> > Speed is not an issue. I don't care how slow it might be.
> >
> > I want to add VMS to my new testing cluster, but I'd need SOME way of
> > emulating it.

> You needn't emulate VMS, but you can emulate a VAX processor, and
> install VAX VMS (The Real Thing) on it. One open source emulator is
> SIMH (homepage is simh.trailing-edge.com).

SRI (Software resources International) also produces the CHARON-VAX range of
VAX emulators which HP officially supports. Most of their emulators are 
commercial products but they also produce some freeware versions see

http://www.softresint.com/charon-vax/Tools_and_tips.htm#freelin

for a freeware version running on top of Fedora 4


SRI also sell Alpha emulators (from another company called Emulators
International) see 

http://www.softresint.com/charon-axp/index.htm

or

http://www.emulatorsinternational.com/en/index.htm


Unfortunately there aren't any freeware versions of this.
The best you can do is get a version called personalAlpha for $465 running 
under Windows-XP

see

http://www.emulatorsinternational.com/en/personalalpha.htm

Unfortunately this is a bit limited - for instance it requires 1GB of memory
on the Windows-XP box but only emulates 96MB on the emulated Alpha which
although usable is not a lot for an Alpha running VMS.

Real Vaxes and Alphas are quite often available fairly cheaply on ebay.
Another good source for refurbished Alphas and Alpha parts 
eg compatible graphics cards etc is Island Computers - http://www.islandco.com



You can get a free hobbyist license for VMS and for lots of software products
such as compilers (on VAX or Alpha - (and possibly Itanium)) from

http://www.openvmshobbyist.com/




VMS Media is available for $30 from http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/mount.html
These media kits only include the OS and a subset of the VMS software which 
the licenses allow you to use as a hobbyist. Unfortunately there isn't a 
download site for most of the rest (As I recall C++ is an exception and 
there may be a few others available online). If you need other licensed 
software products then you will need to beg the media from someone in your 
area who has the full software distribution.

There is also a link from the hobbyist site to an article about running VMS 
under a emulated VAX using SIMH this links to

http://www.wherry.com/gadgets/retrocomputing/vax-simh.html





David Webb
Security team leader
CCSS
Middlesex University


> HTH,
>   Martin
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