Hi Steven I was thinking that maybe hydrogen at low pressure and moderate temperature has a molecular rms velocity of close to escape velocity. If one would calculate the weight of the hydrogen inside a hermetically closed container that has the right pressure and temperature for rms escape velocity and then weigh it with an supersensitive balance there might be a difference .I guess a certain percentage of the molecules would due to there speed and trajectory behave like the ones between parallel vertical plates like in our communication before and generate a small upward push. I know that should not work in a closed system but heck the EMDRIVE seems to work and that is a closed system! Regards Hauke Hein
--- Mensaje Original --- Desde: "Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson" <orionwo...@charter.net> Enviado: 27 de julio de 2015 18:33 Para: vortex-l@eskimo.com Asunto: RE: [Vo]:Matter to energy, and back Hauke, I think your design concept is pretty much the same concept as mine. I would also speculate that using hydrogen atoms, or perhaps a hydrogen plasma stream, would help simplify what engineering might be involved. If there is a "cover"... then yes, it would be my suspicion that an upward thrust would be generated. Wish there was a way to find out if such an experiment could be conducted. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks From: Hauke Hein [mailto:hhe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 4:54 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Matter to energy, and back Hi Steven I read your idea with the cannonball between two reflekting mirrors. I had an idea similar but with lets say hydrogen atoms reflectet between two vertical parallel walls at escape velocity.I think those particals would follow a parabolic path climbing between the vertical walls.I wonder what would happen if one would install a horizontal cover on top of the parallel walls limiting the upwards movement of those oscillating particals?would they generate an upward pressure? Next question: what would happen if this takes place in a closed box? Hauke Hein --- Mensaje Original --- Desde: "Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson" <orionwo...@charter.net <mailto:orionwo...@charter.net> > Enviado: 27 de julio de 2015 16:09 Para: vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Asunto: RE: [Vo]:Matter to energy, and back Bob, Jones, Thanks for humoring me. I am not surprised that discussing energy/matter conversion techniques in 21st century terms is, how should I put it, a debatable matter. Here's where I'm going with my previous request: If practical M/E conversion technology could eventually be developed I think there might exist a particular type of thrust engine (mimicking anti-gravity) that could be developed capable of manipulating principals involving escape velocity & angular momentum. Think of Newton's famous illustration showing a cannon shooting a series of cannon balls around the earth with increasing values of velocity. Given enough velocity, you eventually can get a cannon ball into an orbit around Earth. With a little more velocity, it's off to the Moon and beyond! Now, think of a unique kind of high-tech cannon ball (matter) that's travelling faster than 17.5k mph, a ball of mass that we could technologically convert into energy after only a short distance so that something like a mirror could reflect all the photons back, let's say back at approximately 180 degrees. Then, after a very short time, convert the ball of photons back into a ball of mass so that once again it continues to travel at 17.5k mph. Think of a fun house, a house of mirrors where you see yourself reflected ad-infinitum. It seems to me that since Earth's curvature, and associated gravity field, is still a physical factor in the cannon ball's back-and-forth velocity (which is still travelling at escape velocity)... I think that little critter is going to want to go up, up, UP, even though it's not travelling around Earth. I don't claim doing this is possible, or even practical; certainly not with the kind of technology we current have. I only claim that if a newfangled contraption could be built that could whack a bunch of malleable mass back-and-forth between a set of mirrors when it's briefly converted into its energy phase... according to my understanding of Newtonian physics, it just might work. I have a fallback plan. There's this guy trying to sell me shares in a dilithium mine. Out in the Gobi Desert somewhere. Wave of the future! A sure deal. ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
