The meson that contains strange and anti strange quark only is the Phi meson. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phi_meson

It's interesting that in order to generate Kaons in nuclear physics apparatus 
such as TRIUMF and DAPhiNE the use high energy sources of 500MeV protons in 
collisions with nucleons at particular nucleon resonances. DAPhiNE seems to be 
a particularly efficient Kaon factory from its name I suppose it is generating 
Phi Mesons, which decay to the Kaons.

If Kaons are produced in these devices it's astonishing to imagine a local low 
energy source generating the same conditions to spawn Phi Mesons from nucleons, 
as the high energy cyclotrons used by DAPhiNE and TRIUMF.


> On 26 okt. 2015, at 17:57, Stephen Cooke <stephen_coo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yup I agree with you Axil although I am no expert on these matters I also 
> don't know of anyway they could be generated from the protons. I will be 
> interested if someone has an explanation for that. 
> 
> Just to expand on the strange quark pair generation idea: 
> 
> This is why I was wondering that if sufficient energy is applied if a strange 
> anti strange quark pair can be manifested. If so quarks do not exist in 
> isolation so they would normally need to be contained in a meson. Unlike Pion 
> 0 which contain + and  - up quarks or + and - down quarks I do not see such a 
> meson for just + and - Strange quarks. (Does any one know if one exists)?
> 
> There are a few other Mesons however might be applicable. These are the eta 
> meson, the eta prime meson, the short K 0 and the long K 0. All these Mesons 
> are neutral and are their own anti particle. All these Mesons contain strange 
> mixed up combination of + and - pairs of quarks the eta contain Up, Down and 
> Strange quarks, the short and long K0 contain Down and Strange quarks. I'm 
> not exactly what they mean in physical terms. The eta and eta prime Mesons 
> are heavier than the Kaons and have very short half lives. The short kaon 
> also has a short half life. The long Kaon however has a longer half life of 
> 51 ns.
> 
> (The strange combinations of quarks in eta and K0 mesons can be found in the 
> Meson list in this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mesons)
> 
> Since K0 short and Long are their own anti particle I wonder if they can be 
> generated individually at lower energy than required for + - Meson pairs i.e 
> 497 MeV for K0 long rather than 996 MeV for +/- Kaon pairs. 
> 
> I should say that if this process is to work either it would need to be 
> contained with in the nuclei. For particles the mass of Kaons this implies 
> quite heavy Nuclei otherwise the energy would exceed the nucleus binding 
> energy, for +/- K pairs it would imply nuclei heavier than Antimony are 
> required (perhaps Pt if available would full fill this) for a single K 0 to 
> form this would imply a nucleus of heavier than Nickel. I suppose one could 
> imagine a resonant or entangled process where the energy was raised and 
> distributed across several nuclei, thereby liberating Kaons from all the 
> nuclei at the same time.
> 
> If heavy nucleons are available in Holmlids experiment this could lead to a 
> test of the idea by removing elements heavier than Nickel if we stopped 
> seeing Kaons (and maybe only see pions onwards), it could demonstrate that 
> maybe this process was in action.
> 
> HOWEVER:
> 
> *** If I understand correctly there are no sufficiently heavy elements 
> available in Holmlids experiment for Kaons to form this way? If I remember 
> right there are no elements heavier than Nickel listed? The catalyst I think 
> only contains Potassium, Iron and Oxygen. Is the is correct? If so it implies 
> another process must take place. ***
> 
> I think in the current consensus this leaves effectively two possibilities: 
> 
> 1. Concurrent Nucleon disintegration or annihilation with the production of 
> particles also including strange quarks, if so an explanation is needed as to 
> how down quarks can change to strange quarks for example. 
> 
> 2. Axil's SPP Analogue black hole Hadron evaporation. It will be amazing if 
> it can work that way, i wonder if there is a particular absolute proof way to 
> observe that , such as actually observing an form SPP and seeing Kaons come 
> directly as a result of it? I suppose we will have to wait for new high tech 
> equipment to see that.
> 
> But maybe there is another mechanism too. (Hopefully not involving any 
> Gorillas ;) )
> 
> It is interesting that this test it may give us a window on CP violation too
> 
> 
> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 11:42:22 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT
> From: janap...@gmail.com
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> 
> I don't understand how strange and antistrange quarks can come from protons. 
> There would need to be a quark reformatting process involved that can turn 
> matter into different matter and antimatter types instantly. It is easier to 
> accept that light energy from the laser is turned into matter and antimatter, 
> especially since the color of the light changes the nature of the matter 
> produced. Said in another way, different light makes different matter.
> 
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Stephen Cooke <stephen_coo...@hotmail.com> 
> wrote:
> Could generation of +/- s quark pairs be the trigger for nucleon 
> disintegration. Could each pair with an up quark to form kaons and force the 
> disintegration of the nucleons from which the up quark comes? Each s quark 
> has a rest mass of 100MeV. I'm not sure if there is a meson containing an s 
> quark pair however. Unless it is in the form of K- long or K- short also 
> about 497 MeV that seem to contain a strange balanced mixture of + and - down 
> and strange quarks. I'm not knowledgable enough of a nuclear physics to know 
> if this is something to consider, but it seems intersting.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 26 Oct 2015, at 08:03, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> K−, negatively charged (containing a strange quark and an up antiquark) has 
> mass 493.667±0.013 MeV and mean lifetime (1.2384±0.0024)×10−8 s.
> K+ (antiparticle of above) positively charged (containing an up quark and a 
> strange antiquark) must (by CPT invariance) have mass and lifetime equal to 
> that of K−. 
> 
> The mass difference is 0.032±0.090 MeV, consistent with zero. The difference 
> in lifetime is (0.11±0.09)×10−8 s. What's weird is that two different quarks 
> types are produced out of nothing. You just don't find strange quarks in 
> ordinary matter. 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 1:18 AM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> in physical cosmology, baryogenesis is the generic term for the hypothetical 
> physical processes that produced an asymmetry(imbalance) between baryons and 
> antibaryons produced in the very early universe. The baryonic matter that 
> remains today, following the baryonic-antibaryonic matter annihilation, makes 
> up the universe.
> 
> LENR could be responsible for the past and ongoing production of matter in 
> the universe in violation of CPT and that negative matter (antibaryons) is 
> being sent back in time. 
> 
> We see excess electrons pop into existence in LENR reactions. Could LENR be 
> the GOD reaction? In point of fact, Holmlid is producing electrons from 
> nothing in his experiment. Don't get excited, we are just talking here.
> 
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 12:53 AM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> CPT THEOREM C(harge) -P(arity=reflection) -T(ime reversal) INVARIANCE is a 
> property of any quantum field theory in Flat space times which respects: (i) 
> Locality, (ii) Unitarity and (iii) Lorentz Symmetry.
> 
> Holmlid is producing neutral K mesons. This particle demonstrates CP 
> violation,
> 
> The discovery of CP violation in 1964 in the decays of neutral kaons resulted 
> in the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1980 for its discoverers James Croninand Val 
> Fitch.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP_violation
> 
> Who can say why LENR produces neutral K mesons? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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