On Wed, 9 Dec 2015, Esa Ruoho wrote:
> What is different about an Orbo power cell, and again, we showed a
> brief example of building, hand-building a very simple cell is that,
> first of all, it is not an electrochemical device, so there is no ion
> transfer, there's no electrolyte and so forth.
If the plates charge up repeatedly, that's DC output. There must be a
charge-pump effect involved, and a complete conductive path. The electret
wax is a resistor, just one with a large value, and it completes the
circuit through the stack of dissimilar metals, as with any battery or
capacitor.
Then the question is, is the charge-pump created from chemical breakdown
of the dissimilar metals, or from something anomalous? Easy test: treat
it as a battery, and see how long it takes to run down. Best would be to
use very, very thin metal in the construction, so that any "battery
capacity" would necessarily be quite short. That would quickly expose the
anomalous energy output, because the device would keep going way past
chemistry, way past nuclear. Or to perpetrate a hoax, use very thick
metal on purpose, so we mix "anomaly" and "battery" to avoid the
possibility of genuine testing.
If it's inexpensive piezo energy-harvesting without ceramic and diode,
then WAY COOL! Test it by isolating it vibration-free, see if it stops
working after xx months. That measures the primary-battery component of
the total energy output.
> So, in order to demonstrate the fundamental difference between an Orbo
> power cell and the traditional battery, what we're going to do is
> short it out, and we're going to leave it shorted out approximately
> 30 minutes, and then demonstrate that the voltage in open-circuit
> immediately bounces back to this 2.5 odd volts.
That's just wrong.
They have to short it out for a time proportional to the internal
resistance. If they have, say, 100,000x higher resistance than a normal
battery, then for an equivalent demo, they'd have to short it out for
100,000X longer.
With large internal resistance, shorting the battery using this internal
resistance as a load. What if the resistance is 10K ohm? Is it an
effective test to place a ?10K? resistor across a battery for a half hour?
Nope, 100K hours would be more like it.
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