five years ago Jones got me to purchase a battery charging device called Desulfurnator. Ihad a five year old car battery that could not sustain starting my car. The desulfurnator sent voltage spikes that arguably break up sulfur inclusions that limit the lifetime.
It worked! Manelas had 20 year old batteries taken from the Solectria. They were powering his house as the lead acid batteries were brand new. This is just chemistry 101 for sulfuric acid action with lead plates. Your car battery can last indefinitely. ________________________________ From: Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 4:28 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon But the reality of the situation is that if a battery works, a capacitor of the same storage capacity ought to work as well (or better due to less internal resistance). Therefore, when the cap does not perform as well, we have a "teachable moment" and can try to identify the culprit, which is likely to be found in the redox chemistry of the battery... and the way charge carriers interact with the spikey BEMF of the circuit. Most batteries have more potential chemical energy than their rating would indicate. It is arguable that twice as much could be squeezed out with no need to invoke "overunity" if partial recharge was inherent in the discharge. In fact, Bedini's famous battery rejuvenator works by applying spikey back pulses ... which is what the Manelas device does as well. Coincidence? Axil Axil wrote: According to the cookbook, an external power source like a battery is required to start the reaction going. This may be way a capacitor based storage system did not work. Jones Beene wrote: Whatever Sweet did or did not accomplish is now in the realm of fiction. No scientific proof exists today in the form of a working device, despite millions spent over the years. There were eye witnesses who were experts in circuits who saw it "working," but could not replicate it after years of trying. Bedini was his assistant. This circumstance actually amounts more to proof of trickery, than proof of an anomaly - since experts saw it and could not replicate it. Thus the best explanation is that Sweet was cleverly faking it. There are a dozen ways to fake this kind of thing. YouTube has become a repository of overunity fakes, some surprisingly good. Common sense suggests that if Sweet's transformer ever worked, it would have been replicated from available evidence and be in production today. Of course, that has not happened. Thus it may have myth value to those who want to believe in miracles, but none to science ... whereas the Manelas device may have value to science in the anomalous cooling, if not the battery effects. People seem to be overlooking the implications of the "Gigafactory" in Reno... in the context of combining low cost cells with a possible doubling of battery-life with a regenerative circuit. No overunity required. We could be looking at a bona-fide paradigm shift in the history of transportation - if that were to happen... ... or it could be hype and spin. Indeed, the stock has been suffering of late. BTW Tesla's Gigafactory grand opening is set for July 29th. Axil Axil wrote: This battery theory does not make sense, The Sweet system worked with power coming off the grid. This is the same as saying that he could not close the loop. In short, it never worked for Sweet as a self-powering device or he wouldn't need the AC at all. He paid his full electric power bill like the rest of us.
