But the reality of the situation is that if a battery works, a capacitor of the same storage capacity ought to work as well (or better due to less internal resistance).

Therefore, when the cap does not perform as well, we have a "teachable moment" and can try to identify the culprit, which is likely to be found in the redox chemistry of the battery... and the way charge carriers interact with the spikey BEMF of the circuit.

Most batteries have more potential chemical energy than their rating would indicate. It is arguable that twice as much could be squeezed out with no need to invoke "overunity" if partial recharge was inherent in the discharge. In fact, Bedini's famous battery rejuvenator works by applying spikey back pulses ... which is what the Manelas device does as well. Coincidence?


Axil Axil wrote:
According to the cookbook, an external power source like a battery is required to start the reaction going. This may be way a capacitor based storage system did not work.

Jones Beenewrote:

    Whatever Sweet did or did not accomplish is now in the realm of
    fiction.  No scientific proof exists today in the form of a
    working device, despite millions spent over the years.

    There were eye witnesses who were experts in circuits who saw it
    "working," but could not replicate it after years of trying.
    Bedini was his assistant. This circumstance actually amounts more
    to proof of trickery, than proof of an anomaly - since experts saw
    it and could not replicate it.

    Thus the best explanation is that Sweet was cleverly faking it.
    There are a dozen ways to fake this kind of thing. YouTube has
    become a repository of overunity fakes, some surprisingly good.

    Common sense suggests that if Sweet's transformer ever worked, it
    would have been replicated from available evidence and be in
    production today. Of course, that has not happened. Thus it may
    have myth value to those who want to believe in miracles, but none
    to science ... whereas the Manelas device may have value to
    science in the anomalous cooling, if not the battery effects.

    People seem to be overlooking the implications of the
    "Gigafactory" in Reno... in the context of  combining low cost
    cells with a possible doubling of battery-life with a regenerative
    circuit. No overunity required. We could be looking at a bona-fide
    paradigm shift in the history of transportation - if that were to
    happen...

    ... or it could be hype and spin. Indeed, the stock has been
    suffering of late.

    BTW Tesla's Gigafactory grand opening is set for *July 29th*.

     Axil Axil wrote:
    This battery theory does not make sense, The Sweet system worked
    with power coming off the grid.

    This is the same as saying that he could not close the loop. In
    short, it never worked for Sweet as a self-powering device or he
    wouldn't need the AC at all. He paid his full electric power bill
    like the rest of us.



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