They needn't be lying. Measuring energy flow with a plasma is challenging.
________________________________ From: a.ashfield <a.ashfi...@verizon.net> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 1:19 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Should Mills and Rossi be lumped together? Brian, Apart from some calorimetry on the SunCell in the early days, would you not think a self perpetuating plasma would produce some heat? Several (hired) independent investigators also back Mill's claims, or do you think they are all lying? AA On 3/26/2017 12:00 PM, Brian Ahern wrote: A. ..". there is good evidence that the SunCell produces a large amount of excess heat..." Amazingly, even RM offers no data or measurements on this issue. He could show water flow calorimetry to an accuracy of 50% within two days of set up and calibration. I would offer to pay for it and conduct it for him. Alas, there is no calorimetry offered to the suggestible investors. The mantra for Mills, Rossi and Godes is: No data = no failure = ambiguity coupled with enticing potential profits = large investments while showing nothing. If they conducted tests and failed the investment stream would cease. ________________________________ From: a.ashfield <a.ashfi...@verizon.net><mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 11:23 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Should Mills and Rossi be lumped together? Eric, I don't feel expert enough to pass judgement. I think that is the point. Physicists more expert than me can't make up their minds whether Mills is a genius or delusional. That he can come up with values for particles that are more accurate than from QM and that his program can show the position nuclei and electrons for complicated molecules (proven) suggests to me that it is premature to be so dogmatic that he is wrong. Likewise there is good evidence that the SunCell produces a large amount of excess heat, though one might quibble about the actual value. AA On 3/25/2017 5:52 PM, Eric Walker wrote: On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 4:49 PM, a.ashfield <a.ashfi...@verizon.net<mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net>> wrote: To me it looks like the hand waving is largely from the skeptics. I have yet to see a specific item that is wrong in Mills theories highlighted by them. Did you take a look at the link I sent? Can you help us to make sense of those equations? What would be ideal would be an explicit derivation of the electron-neutron mass ratio, which is purportedly based on those equations. If you can do this, it would be a very helpful thing. My strong hunch: it is not possible, because the Mills neutron-electron mass ratio is ad hoc and was not derived from them. But your knowledge here can help to dispel this impression. Eric
