My spring and water system was intended more as model of a hypothetical fluid on which work is performed.
It bears some similarity with models of viscoelasticity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVK1qVkXfC4 but in my model the spring doesn't spontaneously relax after the load is removed and the permanent deflection of the dashpot would represent the heat produced. Harry On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 1:15 AM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com < bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Harry— > > > > Thanks. > > > > Your thought experiment IMHO clearly swapped potential energy of the > gravitational system of earth mass and weight mass to an electrically > coupled system of atoms in the spring as well as heating the water with > added phonic energy in the form of increased linear kinetic energy of water > molecules as well as an increase in the average of their spin energy in the > form of angular momentum. > > > > It’s a good example of a macroscopic system changing potential energy into > kinetic, in accordance with the second law of thermodynamics and reflecting > what happens in coherent systems involved in LENR. > > > > Bob Cook > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *H LV <hveeder...@gmail.com> > *Sent: *Friday, June 9, 2017 7:47 PM > *To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 1:07 AM, H LV <hveeder...@gmail.com> wrote: > > animation explaining Joule's apparatus and his calculations. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yOhSIAIPRE > > Harry > > > > On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 11:43 PM, H LV <hveeder...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Joule's apparatus used a spindle with paddles which was turned by a > falling weight outside the calorimeter. The motion of the falling weight > did not result in the generation of potential energy. It only resulted in > the warming of the water inside calorimeter. However, if the falling of the > weight were to wind up a spring in addition to turning of the paddle then > the same energy input - in the form gravitational potential energy (i.e. > the weight time the height through which the weight falls) would warm the > water AND store energy in the spring. According to Joule the amount of heat > generated is only a function of how far the weight falls. It is not a > function of how quickly it falls, so even if the spring slows the descent > of the weight the calorimeter will read the same rise in temperature with > or without the spring attached. > > > This thought experiment demonstrates how two systems can have the same > energy input and generate the same temperatures but one can store energy > and the other can't. > > t > > > > > What I said above is not correct. In my thought experiment where I add a > spring to Joule's original experiment (described in the video link given > above) the amount of heat generated will be reduced because the weight will > fall more slowly as it has to overcome both the resistance of the water and > the spring. What needs to be emphasized is that Joule's original > experiment implicitly assumes that the water does not store energy because > the the amount of heat generated is claimed to be only dependent on the > height the weight falls. Another way of stating this assumption is that all > the resistance experienced by the falling weight is converted into thermal > energy and none of it is stored energy. > > > Harry > > > > >
