----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Jullian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Re: Lifters


No extra force in oil, it works just the same as a lifter it's an EHD thruster, called "ion drag pump" when the medium is a dielectric liquid and the thruster is stationary: oil molecules are ionized, and ion current from a sharper electrode to a flatter electrode entrains neutrals.

I agree with this. It is also obvious to see the "flow" of oil around the electrodes. One can use a clear oil, like mineral oil, and take a darkly colored oil and squirt a bit into the mineral oil in front of the submerged lifter and see how it is sucked through the lifter...it will grab onto and carry quite a bit of extra oil along for the ride.

You are right about the pump part too: a lifter also works as a fair vacuum pump. If it is held stationary in a suitable glass vessel, and put between whatever one wishes to pull to a vacuum, and the output of the stationary lifter is sent to a dual rotary vane pump, you can get a good deal harder vacuum then if only the rotary vane pump was being used.

--Kyle


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