Michel Jullian wrote:
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> Sure, experimental evidence is needed, a patent doesn't prove that something
works.
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That's what I said.
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> Proof of principle experiment design must be as simple as possible and based
on sound principles, it can be discussed here, other than that the actual
experiment can be conducted in one's kitchen I guess.
>
> The highly OU commercial ambient air energy pumping devices I was talking
about are those residential heating heat pumps we have been discussing in the
'loop closed' thread, they commonly reach COPs of 4 (1000W out for 250W in, the
excess coming from ambient air).
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I'm not following that thread, but a quick glance in that thread found a few
links to heat pumps. I don't think those heat pumps at sortprice are overunity,
as that industry uses a different definition of COP that the "free energy"
community, or at least that's what I was told. Those heat pumps require extra
energy to move energy. There are a lot of claims of overunity and even a few
with detailed build instructions such as the MEG, but as far as I know they're
still unconfirmed, but definitely worth investigating.
Lets continue to encourage people to work on some form of "free energy" research
(or even replication) such as capturing ambient temperature energy until we have
a self-running machine with extremely detailed build instructions.
Regards,
Paul Lowrance
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Lowrance"
> To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 5:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vo]: Proof of capturing ambient temperature energy
>
>
>> Michel Jullian wrote:
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>>> Limited financial means are not a problem for a proof of principle
experiment
>> IMHO.
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>>
>>
>> I'm not sure it's that simple in this case. People debate about everything,
>> including their own reality; e.g., Can you prove or disprove your life is
>> nothing but a virtual reality game, and death is merely the end of such a
game?
>> ... and other Matrix philosophies? Something as controversial as the "free
>> energy smoking gun" most likely needs a prototype as proof, unless the person
>> happens to meet a wealthy investor willing to take a leap of faith. Charlie
>> Brown has been searching for Angel money what seems forever. He has patents,
>> etc. etc., but what has it bought him.
>>
>> I think a lot of people need to work together on this to design a working
>> prototpye, even if it generates a pW, so long as it's self-sustaining.
>>
>>
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>>> OK let's assume one is able to extract energy from a single heat source,
even
>> if serious doubts subsist. What would be the practical use, considering there
>> already exist compact highly overunity commercial devices able to pump
kilowatts
>> of energy from ambient temperature air?
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>>
>>
>> I probably didn't get your question. Are there presently overunity devices
able
>> to pump kilowatts of energy from ambient temperature??? What you describe is
>> the "smoking gun," right? Where is this "smoking gun." Perhaps Steorn?
Time
>> will tell.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Paul Lowrance
>>
>>
>> [snip]
