Since absolute power corrupts absolutely, a rule that seems to have no
exception, a fully empowered one world government will be the most frightful
entity ever encountered by the human race, and I sadly believe that most of
us under age sixty will live to see what I mean. Historically a person could
escape a tyrannical government by fleeing to another land.  Where will we go
now?

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Harry Veeder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 6:42 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore

No veto as Robin said,
and more permanent members.
Harry

On 28/1/2008 10:17 PM, Lawrence de Bivort wrote:

> Interesting. How is it inadequate now? How do you think it should be
> reformed?
> 
> Lawrence
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Harry Veeder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 9:31 PM
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al
Gore
> 
> The UN security council needs to be reformed for starters.
> 
> Harry
> 
> On 28/1/2008 6:06 PM, Lawrence de Bivort wrote:
> 
>> Agreed, Jed.
>> 
>> We are, as a species, entering an age of globalized systems, and I think
>> tackling them will require a new set of linguistic skills. The language
we
>> use in politics and policy today is still based on national models of
> human
>> organization -- one might almost say, tribal. My guess is that our
> language
>> has led us into the present pickle, and that only linguistic improvements
> --
>> and radial ones at that -- will enable us to resolve the problems we have
>> created for ourselves.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Lawrence
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 5:53 PM
>> To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al
> Gore
>> 
>> R.C.Macaulay wrote:
>> 
>>> At some point in time it becomes necessary to  recognize  some
>>> problems have no solution tasks and simply turn your head in a
>>> stance of inevitiability. Al Gore has profited by profiling global
>>> warming and Bono the same with Africa but neither have a solution.
>>> 
>>> Africa is imploding in on itself, with any attempt to help being
>>> frustrated. Climate changes occur but any attempt to modify climate
>>> is futile. All the feeding of guilt will not solve insoluable problems.
>> 
>> As I expect everyone here knows, telling me things like that are like
>> waving red meat at a hungry lion. Frankly, such attitudes are
>> anathema to the spirit of science, technology, and America -- three
>> things I hold dear. Of course I acknowledge that people are capable
>> of screwing things up. Of course I know that we might destroy
>> ourselves and the ecology. Heck, we may destroy the world in an hour
>> with thermonuclear bombs. And it goes without saying that there are
>> some potential natural disasters we cannot cope with no matter what,
>> such as the Sun going nova, and there may be irredeemable man-made
>> disasters such as CO2 released from permafrost -- but there isn't
>> yet, as far as I know.
>> 
>> As things now stand, global warming and especially the situation in
>> Africa are entirely our fault, and our problem, and I am certain --
>> beyond any doubt -- that we have the power to fix these problems. As
>> John F. Kennedy said:
>> 
>> "Our problems are manmade - therefore, they can be solved by man. And
>> man can be as big as he wants. No problem of human destiny is beyond
>> human beings. Man's reason and spirit have often solved the seemingly
>> unsolvable - and we believe they can do it again."
>> 
>> Anyone who doubts that is betting against the tide of history. You
>> are betting against human resilience which has survived incredible
>> trials for millions of years as we came through "the evolutionary
>> furnace" as Florman called it. And you are forgetting that we have
>> transformed the whole face of the earth and we can do it again, and
>> again; we have untold energy at our fingertips; the bounty of the
>> whole solar system just outside our reach; and we are surrounded with
>> everyday technology that people even 150 years ago would have found
>> "indistinguishable from magic." How can anyone doubt that we have the
>> power to forestall global warming, or bring properity to the millions
>> of people in Africa?!? Strictly in terms of material resources and
>> physical energy, we could easily create as much wealth for all 6
>> billion people as only a first-world millionaire enjoys today. The
>> only thing stopping us from doing this is widespread ignorance and
>> the will to act.
>> 
>> Are there food shortages? We could grow enough food for everyone on
>> earth in an area the size of Atlanta. Is there not enough meat? In
>> the last few years, my friends at NewHarvest.com have brought the
>> cost of cultivated meat (meat grown in vitro) down from $100,000 to a
>> few thousand dollars per kilogram. It is just a matter of time before
>> meat will be as cheap as tofu, and as clean and easy to make. Do
>> people in Africa lack capital? Look at what the Grameen Bank has
>> accomplished.
>> 
>> No technically educated person should claim these problems cannot be
>> solved! There are only two difficulties: 1. Deciding which of the
>> many solutions is most likely to work, at the lowest cost. 2. Pushing
>> aside the ignorant naysayers and greedy fools who say we can't solve
>> the problems and we should just give up.
>> 
>> Here is what we must believe and act upon, right up until the last
>> member of our species goes extinct. In October 1941, after 10 months
>> of war, Winston Churchill said:
>> 
>> ". . . surely from this period of ten months this is the lesson:
>> never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never -- in
>> nothing, great or small, large or petty -- never give in except to
>> convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never
>> yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy."
>> 
>> Regarding our special predicament: I don't care if Albert Gore and
>> 100 million scientists world-wide refuse to look at cold fusion, or
>> ridicule it, or promote crazy ideas such as ethanol instead. I don't
>> care about the "apparently overwhelming might" of Nature or the DoE.
>> If we try hard enough, and we are lucky, we WILL push this vast crowd
>> of idiots aside. It isn't a sure thing. But I am not finished yet,
>> and frankly I wouldn't recommend you bet against me.
>> 
>> - Jed
>> 
> 


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