I hate to get involved in this cat fight, but when thermite is
used, it
melts only a very local region which is blown away from the area by
the
reaction. A molten pool of iron would not be produced. I suspect,
as others
have suggested, that the huge energy of the collapse would melt the
iron,
which would run to the lowest point where a pool would form. This
would make
it look as if a lot more molten iron were present than was actually
the
case. As for aluminum, the airplane was made of aluminum and
aluminum is
present in small amounts in building material either as the metal
or Al2O3.
Therefore, I see nothing unusual about finding aluminum. As for the
other
speculations, I agree with Jed. If any of the buildings were
brought down on
purpose, this knowledge would get out. This is too big to keep
secret.
However, I believe the administration knew this was going to happen
but they
did not expect the buildings to collapse. They wanted an excuse to
ramp up
the war on terror but they did not want such a loss. This any many
other
acts that need to be investigated makes a win by Obama very
important.
Ed
Ed
On Sep 8, 2008, at 9:29 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
----- Original Message ----
From: Jed Rothwell
You mean NIST and the NYFD and every other fire department and
safety
agency on earth has chosen to ignore that. No doubt they are all part
of a grand conspiracy. Get used to it.
Huh? Every other fire department on earth? Get real - better yet
get some
facts together besides "NIST told me so."
Of course, no fire department, certainly not the NYFD, are part of
any grand
conspiracy - unless getting at the truth scientifically is now to
be labeled
as "conspiracy". If you are not consulted, then how can you object?
Is that you definition of conspiracy (getting at the truth
scientifically,
in spite of a past flawed report) ?
Funny, since this remark is coming from the prime (and eloquent)
defender of
a technology (LENR) which is also facing similar disproportionate
criticism
from a stone wall of "experts" who are alighned against it, and who
(those
experts) are also failing to look at a mountain of evidence
pointing the
other way.
Even the mayor Rudy Giuliani said weeks after the incident about
the NYFD
"They were standing on top of a cauldron. They were standing on top
of fires
2,000 degrees that raged for a hundred days." [direct quote]
Of course, no one seriously believes that Rudy went out an measured
this
temperature, but he should have been getting accurate information
from the
fire chiefs - and this was long before an official report came out.
By the way, and speaking of demolition experts - lets go to the
very best
CDI.
CDI stands for Controlled Demolition Inc., the world-renowned
Baltimore
company that uses thermite explosives to implode structures such as
WTC7.
There is no more hands-on, and knowledgeable company in the trade.
Company-founder Jack Loizeaux and his sons have handled many high
profile
demolitions including the Murrah Building in Okla. City.
Mark Loizeaux, now president of CDI and one of the contractors in the
clean-up is quoted in newspaper accounts and television interviews
in the
weeks following 9/11 as seeing molten steel in the bottoms of
elevator
shafts "three, four, and five weeks" after the attack.
Is this part of a conspiracy? No - absolutely not. It is the
reporting of
fact by an observer who had been superbly competent to report on
what he has
seen directly - unlike the bureaucrats at NIST...
... who seldom go out of the office except to show their bizarre
video
simulations which do not consider anything below the eight floor -
and then
to dodge questions about why they did not consider very basic
things, like
molten steel or like interviewing Mark Loizeaux - years later about
why he
might have changed some details of his original interview, AFTER
the first
report came out .
http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/retractions/index.html
When steel beams were pulled from these glowing pools, and there
are videos
showing this - many of them still had dripping metal coming from
fairly
straight cut marks. Was some worker down there in a 2000 degree
inferno with
a torch? Were these videos faked ? If so why didn't NIST say they
are fake
videos?
Here is a website put up and maintained by those same NYFD
firefighters who
Rothwell wants us to believe are "going along" and supporting the
flawed
NIST official report:
http://www.fallenbrothers.com/community/showthread.php?
p=2948#post2948
I think someone in the next administration should poll the
surviving firemen
and clean-up crews.
Know what, I will make a large bet that the great majority will say
that
there was moltent steel under ground zero for weeks - and even that
many
will say that there was clear evidence of demolition. Did NIST
interview a
single firefighter or cleanup crewman?
Nope ... sorry that would have involved getting hands dirty with real
eye-witnesses when they gratly prefer a "computer simulation" as if
the
computer adds some semblance of authority. What a sad joke.
Jones
