Not from torture or mind control though. -----Original Message----- From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > If you were a doctor, your patient would have died long ago.
Ed > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 26 September 2008 19:48 > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Cc: Edmund Storms > Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout > > > On Sep 26, 2008, at 12:18 PM, Remi Cornwall wrote: > >> Ed: what you say sounds cynical and jaded. > > I suppose it does to someone who believes in the ideal function of > government. However, if you examine the actual behavior, you will find > that the number of laws always grow in number and complexity. The tax > laws are a good example. This may not be what people want to hear but > it is a fact. Some of this growth takes placed because conditions > change and new laws are required to control the technology. At the > same time, industry works very hard to protect and enlarge its self > interest. Most people have no idea what laws and rules exist until > they are subjected to the legal system. In addition, the government > works hard to hide many laws that benefit certain industries or > individuals. Personally, I would rather accept how the system actually > operates rather than be surprised because I have an "ideal" > understanding of what I wish were true. > > Ed >> >> >> Jed*: If you think they give back 'their' powers then I think you >> are living >> in cloud cuckoo land. >> >> Leaking Pen: The government **IS** the biggest **corporation** bar- >> none. >> >> It's the biggest show in town for the old bloods since we won't >> worship them >> anymore in church or on thrones. >> >> >> This democrat veto needs to be explored: replace society or >> government with >> Reich and capitalist with Jew and then you will see the scapegoating >> going >> on. >> >> >> * In recent times: Patriot Act in UK RIPA (Regulatory and >> Investigative >> Powers Act - phone tapping and so forth) and many more I could find >> if I was >> a lawyer and constitutional expert. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: leaking pen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: 26 September 2008 18:58 >> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout >> >> What is a government? You treat it like some seperate entity. It >> shouldn't be. Government is society. It is US. A government should >> be a tool of a society to set up its rules. If it becomes seperate >> from that society, well, its no longer needed. >> >> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Remi Cornwall >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> How do you regulate government then? Who governs the governors? >>> When do >>> governments vote themselves less power? >>> >>> I'm in agreement about corporations. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: leaking pen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: 26 September 2008 18:08 >>> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout >>> >>> The American constitution was formed with the concept of freedom for >>> people, and that coorporations would do their best to oppress >>> people. >>> And they were right. They had the East Indies Trading Company, they >>> knew what evil could be done. If such large businesses are allowed >>> to >>> exist, they must be regulated. And before you give me free market >>> crap, a market in which such a large company exists is, by >>> definition, >>> no longer a free market, as those companies begin to provide >>> external >>> forces on the market themselves. >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Remi Cornwall <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> I'm not convinced about the need for more government. >>>> >>>> It attracts the Machiavellian type who don't deal in facts and >>>> distort >>> truth >>>> (such as blaming the credit crunch on the free market when the >>>> demos >>> vetoed >>>> reform). >>>> >>>> It attracts unproductive hangers-on to big public projects. >>>> >>>> It has allowed the massive build up of a stifling science >>>> establishment. >>>> >>>> I just find it like a 16th century scientist supporting the church >>>> or a >>>> monarchy. It's the opposite of progress to me. Just looking at the >>> character >>>> of the people on the left it is the-lesser-of-two-evils to favour >>>> the >>> right. >>>> The American constitution was forged in the light of the >>>> Enlightenment. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: leaking pen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Sent: 26 September 2008 17:27 >>>> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >>>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout >>>> >>>> Less government on the individual. MORE on the corporation. and >>>> lets >>>> remove this political fiction of coorp as person, please! >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Remi Cornwall <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> >>>> wrote: >>>>> A plague on both their houses! >>>>> >>>>> The less government the better. Trust your constitution that's >>>>> why it >> was >>>>> written. >>>>> >>>>> New energy will empower people to self-reliance. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> Sent: 26 September 2008 16:08 >>>>> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>> >>>>> ... apparently Remi does not remember the infamous Keating Five - >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ... from the net, a little "refresher" lesson in how recent >>>>> political >>>>> history has this nagging tendency to repeat itself every new >>>>> generation: >>>>> >>>>> John McCain & The Ghost of Keating Five >>>>> >>>>> posted last week by Ari Berman >>>>> >>>>> Back in the 1980s, when the US faced a major savings & loan >>>>> crisis, >>>>> John McCain intervened to protect S&L magnate Charles Keating - a >>>>> major McCain donor and friend--from federal regulators. McCain was >>>>> later rebuked by the Senate Ethics Committee for "poor judgement" >>>>> and >>>>> embarrassed by the $112,000 in campaign contributions, trips and >>>>> gifts >>>>> he accepted from Keating. Following the entanglement, McCain >>>>> became a >>>>> born-again reformer and tried to scrub the Keating episode from >>>>> his >>>>> resume. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters/361711/john_mccain_the_ghost_ >>>>> of_keating_five >>>>> >>>>> In fact - it has been reported that Wiki was under intense >>>>> pressure from >>>>> McCain operatives when the "new" S&L Scandal become issue numeror >>>>> uno in >>>> the >>>>> public's view - to have the pictures removed from the Wiki >>>>> entry ... IOW >>>>> even if they knew they could not rewrite the history of the >>>>> indent (but >>>> were >>>>> able to tone down some of the rhetoric) they did not want the >>>>> actual >>>>> "picture" of McCain there - as apparently that was too >>>>> inflamatory !!! >>>>> >>>>> ... or else some of the expected McCain supporters don't read >>>>> much but >>> are >>>>> impressed with visual images? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > >
