On Jun 29, 2009, at 8:36 AM, Harry Veeder wrote:


Yes the loop is closed, but I am working from the hypothesis that
the bearings are accelerated by the magnetic field produced by the
current flowing through the shaft. Therefore the bearings
do not need to make electrical contact with the shaft,
although  they might need some start-up rotation. Note,
my hypothesis is just a guess so I can't justify it on theoretical
grounds using conventional physics. All I can say is that a "torque" is
not required. This is becoming clearer to me as we talk about it.

It there is no torque there will be no rotation. There is friction that stops any rotation unless torque is maintained. If there is no current there will be no torque.

It there is a current through the shaft there is a circular B field around the shaft, except in the vicinity of the brushes. A circular B field, even if it magnetizes the balls, will produce no torque upon the balls other than a torque that retards their rotation, unless there is also a radial current through the balls.

It is easy to see, by symmetry, that a radial current through the balls can not produce a net torque, because the circular B field is in the same direction at the bearings at both ends, but the current direction is into the shaft at one end and out at the other, thus any such torque must net to zero. The torque at one end of the shaft exactly cancels the torque at the other end, provided both ends are symmetrical to each other.

Besides the symmetry argument, if you actually draw the configuration you can see that a circular B field will act on any radial current through the balls to produce an axial force on the bearings, not a torque on the bearings.

If you look more carefully at what happens to the magnetic material in the ordinary Marino motor as it rotates, however, you can see that hysteresis (a delay in the de-magnetizing of the material) permits magnetized material to rotate into place where the radial current through it produces a torque that reinforces the direction of rotation, which ever direction of rotation that might be. This is all laid out in diagrammatic form in Figs 3 and 4 of:

http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/HullMotor.pdf

Further, the symmetry argument for the ordinary Marinov motor now shows a reinforcing, not canceling, effect at both ends of the shaft. This is because, when the current i is directed radially into the shaft, the magnetization direction of the material that rotates into place in the current stream is the opposite of the material at the other end of the shaft where the current is directed radially out of the shaft. The torque at both ends of the shaft is thus reinforcing, and in the direction of the rotation, whichever direction that might be.

Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/




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