Per Jed: "That is about the stupidest thing I have ever read here on Vortex."
* * *Add further to this than Einstein's 'NOBEL' was for Solar Voltaics and if
the BOMB had never been built, then the *recognized significance re:
Relativity* following the NOBEL for Einstein's Solar Voltaics strides would
likely have NEVER HAPPENED per his work on Solar Voltaics being subsequently &
eventually minimalized. ?Sound familiar? * * *
EINSTEIN: I think we might be forgetting the pesky problem that Albert's
anti-proponents numbered among the proponents of the 'then' 3rd-Reich who
eventually were desirous to 'suppress Albert to death.' And they managed
enough influence in the European/largely German Based intelligencia to
'attempt' to discredit him in a large way.
HOWEVER: The 'winners' write the highlights of history which tends to favors
their own oft-times self-centric pop-point of view which is often
quasi-fictional 'happy-talk.' YOU are indulging in this exercise somewhat;
methinks. . . Einstein 'succeeded' because the ALLIES succeeded/aka WE WON.
Fortunately for us the bone-headed anti-Semitic German intelligencia failed.
And if they had prevailed-WON our 'recognition' of Einstein's contributions
would have been nullified world-wide. And those folks came within spitting
distance of prevailing. . . In short, Einstein had 'many' vocal detractors
whose voices 'then' had power-in-notable-peer-influence(Europe) &
Lindberg-America/American-First-Zeitgeist was not warm toward Semitic-Eintein
as well. But we now conveniently disregard these details as irrelevant. But
'then' they were hardly irrelevant.
Add to this that even though the Einstein-Zsilard letter to Roosevelt
kick-started 'Manhattan,' it very nearly DID-NOT. If the 'bomb' had not
worked a la Teller-Fermi-Oppenheimer etc. then likely even now we would 'maybe'
just have gotten around to possitive investigation of E=MC^2. In that light,
Einteinian-Relativity etc. would possibly still be struggling along the lines
that LENR & it's developers is now experiencing &/or be suppressed much as the
Edison cartel attempted to do with Tesla in his time.
Add to this that EVEN IF Einstein had come to some govermental-academic
recognition later in time then it might be TOTALLY UNKNOWN IN PUBLIC if its R&D
had been buried from the public deep within some type of BLACK PROJECT. ?Sound
familiar?
Add further to this than Einstein's 'NOBEL' was for Solar Voltaics and if the
BOMB had never been built, then the *recognized significance re: Relativity*
following the NOBEL for Einstein's Solar Voltaics strides would likely have
NEVER HAPPENED per his work on Solar Voltaics being minimalized. ?Sound
familiar?
Add finally consider the 'historical-fact' that Einstein was considered by
western-intelligence to be 'pinko-pacifist' and was SPECIFICALLY BANNED FROM
DIRECT PARTICIPATION IN THE MANHATTAN R&D PROJECT. . .
YES YOU'RE CORRECT that Eintein obviously had his insightful and influential
sponsors & proponents.
BUT YOU ARE WRONG that the relative success of those aforesaid sponsors &
proponents of Einstein to support & employ him would not have fairly surely
have fallen aside impotently and Einstein been relegated to relative obscurity
IF a few KEY events had turned the other way. And your argument would not
exist because EVENTS would have altered outcomes.
History gives Einstein's E=MC^2 credit for the Bomb; and histories' entire
further development a la' Relativity etc. entirely depended on that
developement. Had Manhattan 'not' happened & succeeded for lack of 'any-one'
of a myriad of necessary sequential events; then your statement of my LACK of
understanding history would be patently absurd. . .
The NAZIs wanted Einstein DEAD. . . and as it is today; there is a world of the
Academic-Scientific Peers who had hitched their wagons to 'competing' theory
who had collectively voiced their notable collective CREDENTIALS 'against'
relativity. . . But the nay-sayers 'HISTORICALLY FAILED:' But their failure
was hardly a done-deal in its day; before the NAZIs were defeated & the
'Manhattan-BOMB-Los Alamos' finished Imperial Japan. . .
Hense you statement is HISTORICALLY-WINNER-CENTRIC and conveniently 'naive'
and short-sighted. . .
SUGGESTION: Maybe it is you that needs to re-scrutinize historical
global-zeitgeist-trends of those times.
Add to this; that had ROMMEL 'not' been executed after/and Von Staufenberg's
plot to terminate Adolph not failed; then Rommel might have made 'peace/truce
and reparation's and stopped (quasi-heroically) the holocaust in it's tracks.
The Manhattan project might have then been suspended. . . . It ALMOST
happened.
Add to this that in those days in America that the PRO-GERMAN 'America-First'
movement a la' Lindberg was IMMENSELY POPULAR in the United States. A few
short years before that the MILLION-MAN-MARCH in D.C. was all wearing
WHITE-SHEETS and the American Public was largely FOR THEM. The
Hitler-Holocaust largely gutted those trends, but that was hardly guaranteed
had Rommel for instance set the Jewish prison-camps free and sponsored the
Zionist Establishment of Israel instead of later in 1948.
FORGOTTON HISTORY: England was 'before Germany-crimes' was MONSTROUSLY GUILTY
of machine-gunning Jews on decks of Zionist-ships to Palestine and often
'sinking' those refugee ships full of Jews. FACT: Menachim Begin's
HAGANAH/MOSSAD was created to FIGHT THE BRITISH brutal anti-Semitic Pogrom
against establishment of the STATE of ISRAEL. When the 3rd-Reich's initial
anti-Semitic campaign/Crystal-Nacht etc. FIRST SOLUTION was simply to ship the
German-Jewish Population to 'exile' in Palestine. BUT British backed/sponsored
Mufti-Husseini/Wahabi-Prince of Jerusalem was 'counciled' to MAKE A PACT WITH
THE WAFFEN-SS to become FIELD MARSHALL OF THE ARAB LEGION who with HIMMLER
DESIGNED the DEATH-CAMP-JEWISH-EXTERMINATION SYSTEM while the BRITISH SENT THE
JEWISH REFUGEES---------->BACK TO GERMANY!
Oh yes: History could easily bounced another direction and from those 'insane'
days VERY NEARLY DID!
Current Britain would VERY MUCH rather be giving credit for quasi-RELATIVITY
etc. to the LUCASIAN-CHAIR etc. 'rather' than crediting Eintein if they
possibly could have swung it as well. . . .but the 'BOMB' changed all that. . .
.
In short: Einstein's popularity & support in the largely anti-semitic United
States & Britain of those days would have been 'tenuous' at best had events
even 'slightly' been altered and the Hitler-3rd Reich been villified as a
relative 'small cadre' of villains while a 'Heroic Rommel' duely 'hung them
all' and somewhat 'redeemed' the German War effort as an
ANTI-BOLSHEVIC/ANTI-COMMUNIST eventual ally of the west. Subsequently> No East
Germany/No Berlin Wall etc. . . .
Consider alternate events track:>NO BOMB---Pinko Einstein--->Massive Propaganda
blaming Jewish Marx-Lenin-Trotsky-Stalin etc.(NOW HAPPENING IN RUSSIA)--a la'
past>-->(Stalin-Holocaust=50 Million-plus slaughter of Russians)>NO 1948
American backing & Establishment of the State of Israel under a PRO-America
First/Pro Rommelesque Germany)---->and in THAT WORLD------>Semitic-Pinko Albert
Einstein is NOT lionized, nor sponsored, nor given credit for even an EVENTUAL
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT of 'Relativity-E=MC^2.' UPSHOT: Some other PC-Acceptable
personage such as Zsilard or Boehr or Planck would have been given the credit
for Eintein's brain-child.
Albert Einstein's notoriety & success were dependent upon a huge convergence of
fortuitous events. Lucky for us that they did converge.
YOU who JUST CAN'T seem to get peer-recognition which generates the
LAY-PUBLIC-ACKNOWLEDGEMENT to get LENR-CANR ----------'funded!'---> don't get
it, that even OUR/YOUR even knowing WHO EINSTEIN IS dependent entirely on the
same type of convergence of factors that is so far NOT HAPPENING FOR YOU. . .
"What a concept!"
Is success/notoriety fair or just or inevitable? Just & fair are IRRELEVANT to
the currents of history. And how many quasi-dimensions of the above
'alternative histories' have/are happening? Some think that they 'all' are
fact------->somewhere/somewhen. . . Is this a 'credible' notion?
HISTORICAL FACT Synthesis is a 'science' in which I posit that 'you' are
severely deficient. You think that this 'scientifically & socially-aware
(relatively) modern America' at THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT within our
particular-centric 'time-stream' was a guaranteed done-deal which is what
allows your NARROW HISTORICALLY SEVERLY LIMITED PERSPECTIVE to spout-off
naively.
Our current l& argely 'fair' and relatively open-minded 'world/environment' is
actually FAR more PROSCRIBED by behind the scenes forces than we care to admit.
. . and if 'those behind the scenes information constrainers/surpressors' want
any current 'EINSTEIN' &/or R&D to be suppressed/constrained/silenced; then
trust me. . . he/they/it WILL be SUPPRESSED. Justice & Freedom of Thought &
Expression is NEVER AN EASY ROAD. . . and NEVER guarantee'd, sponsorship,
and/or meritorious recognition &/or subsequent worthy R&D funding. I think
that you really know this, but just temporarilly 'misplaced' the notion in
light of your own momentary dissappointing setbacks.
What a champion you are. . . however; as a 'historian,' your paint is 'still'
wet. . .
QUOTE: "Quit yer Whinning & looking for Scapegoats to vent on."
(Me)~Cheers-JHO-
Please, Jed, learn a little history.
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 22:34:38 -0400
Subject: Re: [Vo]:AIP abruptly cancels proceedings
From: jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Jack Harbach-O'Sullivan <alset9te...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Amigo's: I remember another cautionary-tale of an EX-'Patent Office employee'
loser that the established big-boys wanted to stifle & erase in the
'worst-way.' His name was Albert Einstein.
Einstein was a highly valued employee at the Patent Office, but in 1909 he was
lured away by the best physicists in Europe to the university of his choice,
where he set the terms and conditions. He was given a professorship with no
teaching responsibilities (what he wanted). He was a star academic; one of the
hottest, most sought-after scientists in academic history. No one ever tried to
"stifle" him. In 1921 they gave him the Nobel Prize.
Please, Jack, learn a little history.
- Jed
