Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that the flow of water generates a significant amount of heat by friction. I was speculating that a flow of water is part of the "recipe" for making excess heat. If it is a part of recipe you have to include the power required to bring about that flow.
Harry > >From: "Roarty, Francis X" <francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> >To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 3:34:37 PM >Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Pump power must be included > > >Harry, > I agree the energy utilized should be subtracted from the >output >but how much of the pressure or flow rate is actually removed from the system? > – the differential measurements are only for temp but you should also >quantify >the pressure/flow rate into the reactor and the pressure/flow rate out of the >reactor if you want to determine if any energy was added or subtracted – >otherwise the same pressure and flow are still potential – available for use >downstream. I am sure the portion of pressure/flow removed from the system is >only a small fraction. Maybe put the exiting wat er after measurement into >same >diameter pipe as the source and measure with an identical flow rate meter? >Fran > >From:Harry Veeder [mailto:hlvee...@yahoo.com] >Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 3:11 PM >To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Pump power must be included > > >Whether or not the water flow is powered by the pump >or a waterfall, the kinetic energy of the flow may be a factor. > >A lack of water movement may explain why some PF type cells failed to perform >in >the past. >They depended on the fickle nature of convection to spring to life. > >Harry > > > >yes, good point Jones, the system input power includes the power to operate >the >pump and the resistive heaters. > >That is incorrect. Please review the messages I have posted. The input power >does not include the pump any more than it includes the overhead lights or an >oscilloscope. Heat generated before the inlet sensor or after the outlet >sensor >is not measured. > >- Jed
