Hi Jones! I guess at this point my impression of how Rossi optimized the effect is more akin to how Edison discovered what material to use for filaments -- painstakingly long process of trial and error! When you don't have a theoretical model from which to design, T&E is about your only option. In the video with Mat Lewan's, Rossi looked very stressed/worried... I get the impression that the R&D phase for the 1MW plant E-Cats is not quite out of the 'R' phase! :-)
And at this time, I think it's a CLOSE horserace as to who crosses the finish line first -- Rossi, or one of your more competent groups. I noticed Dennis ended his subscription here... Suppose he got enough info and jumped onto his thoroughbred? And they're off and running... Hey, I want to be riding one of them horses! :-) Did you guys ever hear that humorous audio titled, "Marriage as a horse-race"? ROTFLMAO! As for NASA getting involved -- mixed feelings at this point. First thought is great; they have extremely competent scientists and engineers, and just the fact that they will have a 'sanctioned' Ni-H research program is an immediate elevation of this fields credibility, however, if they were to succeed in understanding the physics, and in fully optimizing the effect, would the technology make it out to the public sector... BEFORE we die! I didn't spend most of my spare time over the last 30+ years following fringe science just to have its commercialization delayed by govt bureaucracy until after I die! That would be a major pisser... No, NASA won't lose the recipe --- the DoD/Govt will simply classify it as TS! But there are plenty of competent people, in this and other countries, who won't let anything stop them assuming they can solve the mystery. -Mark -----Original Message----- From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 3:41 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis. Mark, Interesting story, and maybe it is a premonition of what the lame excuse from Rossi will be if there is no megawatt demo in October. Rothwell can whine, hem, and haw all day about how he believes in his heart-of-hearts that the sordid TEG business with LTI was not a true scam, but since he has not taken the time to personally investigate the details, his opinion is more of the same pampering and pandering of a really strange character who will probably disappoint all his new fans, in the end. My prediction is that even before Rossi has a chance to disappoint, others who are considerable more qualified, and honest, will come to the rescue with the answers of what is going-on in nickel hydrogen. If you look at the big picture from the perspective of who has the skill, funding, desire and teamwork, we should be very glad that NASA is jumping into Ni-H. They may lack the spark of creativity, or the incredible good luck, of the lone inventor - but they will not "lose the recipe." Jones -----Original Message----- From: Mark Iverson I said: "Perhaps its because Rossi hadn't given them the proper recipe for making the TE devices?" Let me explain a bit more... I've been following (and occasionally helping) with a colleague's company that has carbon-based photovoltaic cells that are consistently getting 40% more power than Shell/BP panels, and don't degrade with temperature (interesting stuff!)... This has been going on for over a year now and they are in the process of working with a semiconductor foundry to commercialize the technology... I've visited the foundry in San Jose and I listen in on the weekly phone conferences, and the film stacks and process flows can be very detailed and complex, and even a few degrees of temperature or what one would think of as insignificant 'contamination' from some other molecule or gas can mean the difference between working as expected and dismal failure -- sometimes not much grey area! The small foundry that produced the cells that are beating out the BP panels did not keep good notes/logs and we've had some trouble figuring out exactly what recipe was used to produce those cells!! At this point, it could even have been a contaminant that has resulted in the much greater efficiency! My point is that, given the fact that Rossi is probably not the best of a lab-note taker, even he may not have the exact recipe that created the 20% TE devices that were originally working at LTI... And maybe he did and didn't divulge it. Its useless to speculate on these kinds of topics and just diverts our collective neurons from focusing on what really matters... -Mark
