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> From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]; [email protected]
> Sent: Tue, June 21, 2011 9:12:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-Cat proven to be a hoax?
>
> At 02:32 PM 6/21/2011, Harry Veeder wrote:
>
> > BTW regarding heat loss issues, the main body of the E-cat is
> > also radiating heat.
>
> Right. However, bottom line, the quantity of interest is how much water is
>being boiled. The water jacket apparently surrounds the reaction chamber, so
>almost all the heat being generated in the reaction chamber must heat the
>water
>to escape. If the water chamber is insulated, as it is (that's the stuff on
>the
>outside, I think), then nearly all the energy ends up as vaporized water.
>
Passerini on his blog meantioned the body of the e-cat felt warm to the touch.
If some of the water was getting through without being vapourised first, some
of
the unused heat might be radiating through the insulation.
> (plus hot water if there is water escaping. We seem to have no problem with
> the
>steam/water being at the boiling point, as we'd expect from the physical
>configuration here.)
>
> Rossi held up the hose, Krivit had also mentioned this. He didn't want to
> allow
>this to continue, he said it was dangerous. Really? How?
>
> How's this for a theory: The E-Cat is not boiling much of the water, only a
>little. The pump is putting out more water than can boil, so it runs out the
>hose. It's hot. If Rossi emptied the hose, as he did, it would take some time
>for the hose to fill up again, Rossi would know how long. He'd have time to
>hold
>the hose up to show some steam coming out (which could be quite wet), but if
>he
>kept it up for too long, hot water would start coming out the end....
>
Or he is worried that condensing water will pool in the bend causing a water
plug which will become a "water bullet" and hot water will spray on Steven
krivit while he is observing the steam.
> The suggestions many have made for the hose to empty into a container are
> very
>much on point; the only argument I can see against it is that steam would then
>be escaping into the room, which would make it uncomfortable. I'd address that
>with ventilation, because piping that steam into the sewer demolishes the
>demonstration. It would make the demonstration more believable!
>
See the Mats Lewan test where the hose empties into a bucket.
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3166552.ece
> A more complicated arrangement could make what's happening visible,
>accumulating water in the bottom of a transparent vessel, but allowing the
>vapor
>to escape to the drain.
>
>
>
Harry
