Robin: Thanks for the comments, and I see your chicken-n-egg argument... As I prefaced my comment about Horace's calcs, "I'm not sure if this is relevant either..." Please note that in many cases I am just doing a brain-dump in the hopes of triggering some creative thinking. :-)
OTOH, I'm not so sure I agree that, as you say, "... in an ordinary magnet many (most?) of the atomic [magnetic] fields are aligned..." Magnetic materials are composed of 'magnetic domains'; regions where the magnetic moments are more or less aligned in the same direction. However, adjacent domains are randomly oriented, diminishing the effect for the bulk material and, thus, the *external* magnetic field is *much less* than what one would find in an individual domain. I am curious... if one were to look at the individual atoms (10^6 to 10^9) in one of these 'magnetic domains', what percentage of the magnetic moments are parallel??? -Mark -----Original Message----- From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 1:13 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Use magnetic fld to enhance effective mass of e- In reply to Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint's message of Fri, 30 Dec 2011 11:08:00 -0800: Hi Mark, [snip] Horace's calculation has nothing to do with alignment of magnetic fields in clusters, which can't produce such huge fields anyway. (Consider that in an ordinary magnet many (most?) of the atomic fields are aligned, and the total field is pitiful by comparison to what would be needed.) >Robin: > >If one looks at it macroscopically, then your criticism is >understandable, however, one must keep in mind the environment of the H >or D loaded lattice at the dimensions of a few atoms. When you get ALL >magnetic domains aligned in a small region (a few 10s, 100s of atoms), >magnetic fields can become quite large... > >I'm not sure if this is relevant either, but here is what Horace >calculated in his model: > >"If you look at the spreadsheet I provided in 2007, you will see the >magnetic field of the electron on the deuteron in the D+e deflated >state is given as 4.0210e+14 Tesla." > >That's about 6 orders of magnitude greater than your 225e6. I haven't checked Horace's calculation, but let's take it at face value. 1) That doesn't necessarily mean that such an orbital is possible. 2) It is a far cry from the intent of the original author that you quoted, who proposed applying an external magnetic field. This is becoming a form of circular reasoning: If we had a strong field we could force the electron into a tight orbital that would then produce a strong magnetic field..... Perhaps the Lenz effect means that what one is actually calculating may be the degree to which the electron fights the field, i.e. the field strength one would need to enforce to ensure that the electron remained in the orbital? [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
