You cannot imagine how green I am in fact(because of the 70s and 1974 energy saving campaign in Europe).
but these days things are getting crazy, and the green that you depict are no more influent. visible greens are no more like what you say. it has became an apocalyptic sect, highly competent in influencing media . on many domains, they are just behaving like propagandizing priest, irrational frighteners, pathologic liars, manipulating humans feeling, using media... when you know the environmental problems, the technology, it is frightening to see how thing evolves and lies spread quickly with media support... they terrorize and racket scientist and business... who submit and adapt to survive... (same reason LENR get buried for 20 years). maybe is there a need for irrationality, dogma, guiltiness, absolutism, and since we have tamed the religions, something else have to take the business. maybe things are different for you in your country, and your green are better, but in France things are getting rough for the truth. it is frightening to see the propaganda spreading in my near, and it is hard to explain the facts... I see the parallel with the way some other countries evolve about another green religion. anyway that is not the problem here. we will just see how things will evolve soon. hope the rational greens win. my experience is that first the extremist will win with the help of the crony elite, then be guillotined by the moderates, on demand of the crowd demanding more comfort... 2012/1/2 Nick Palmer <ni...@wynterwood.co.uk> > You don't know what you are talking about. You are just parroting > misrepresentative B.S. peddled by ideologically, politically or financially > biased propagandists. Greens are used to being traduced like this.